EOS R camera between EOS R7 and EOS R10 coming [CR3]

john1970 said:

I agree with this opinion. Personally I do not see a need for a camera between the R10 @$900 and the R7 @$1500. An inexpensive FF camera that replaces both the EOS R and EOS RP might make more sense since both of those models are the oldest in the lineup. 2023-2024 should be interesting in terms of lens and camera bodies.

I also find it odd that there is no mention of the EOS R1 unless Canon really is not releasing it until Q1 2024, which is basically four years after the 1Dx Mark III release.

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Hint: The R3 is the R1.

john1970 said:

I agree with this opinion. Personally I do not see a need for a camera between the R10 @$900 and the R7 @$1500. An inexpensive FF camera that replaces both the EOS R and EOS RP might make more sense since both of those models are the oldest in the lineup. 2023-2024 should be interesting in terms of lens and camera bodies.

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I agree. A camera in-between the R10 and R7 doesn't make much sense. They are already very close, spec-wise. What would a hypothetical Canon R8.5 offer? IBIS only in the horizontal plane but not the vertical? Kinda but not really weather seals? 29 megapixels? 1/6000 s top
shutterspeed?

EOS 4 Life said:

RP is a different naming convention.
It could live on as the RP6, R6P, or something like that.

Canon could also come out with a letter to replace the EOS R.
They could make versions of the R5 and R6 with a single SD card slot and no IBIS for less money.

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But please: no "Tamronlike" name giving (BBAR Di VC USG G2 etc...)

motofotog said:

Has Canon or camera industry has ditched APS-H crop sensors?

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Canon currently makes APS-H industrial sensors. They apparently aren't interested in putting them in their cameras though.

vangelismm said:

Unfortunately the 24MP R6 mark ii seems to be the Canon answer.

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"Unfortunately" ??

The R6 was a great camera and the R6 Mkii is even better. It's the perfect stills camera if you don't need more MP, and if you are happy with a flippy screen rather than a tilting one. The image quality of the 24MP sensor will be just as good, if not better than that of the 30MP R, and the equal of any other 24MP camera. I dare you to tell the difference.

And you don't have to shoot at 30fps or shoot video, but adding those features makes the camera appeal to a wider audience, and allows mass production to keep the price within tolerable limits.

As I said in another post, we *all* have cameras capable of many things that we just don't need. For example I need/want at least 40MP, so I got the R5, but I don't shoot video and 8K is just ridiculous overkill for me. We just have to accept that in order to get the things we want/need, that we'll also get stuck with a few features that we'll likely never use. Canon is in the business of making money, and it's unreasonable to expect them to make multiple variants to suit all our differing preferences. And if they did, those cameras would cost at least double what we pay now.

john1970 said:

I agree with this opinion. Personally I do not see a need for a camera between the R10 @$900 and the R7 @$1500. An inexpensive FF camera that replaces both the EOS R and EOS RP might make more sense since both of those models are the oldest in the lineup. 2023-2024 should be interesting in terms of lens and camera bodies.

I also find it odd that there is no mention of the EOS R1 unless Canon really is not releasing it until Q1 2024, which is basically four years after the 1Dx Mark III release.

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I wouldn't expect R1 before 2024 in time for the Olympics at best.
When canon brings out a flagship camera it's going to be something extraordinary just like the EOS 1 and the 1Ds when they were new.

entoman said:

In the case of the RP, I'd guess that the model is almost entirely bought by novices, who just want a very simple MILC from a big name brand. I doubt if they appreciate the extra quality they could get from full frame

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Many people buy the RP specifically because it is an affordable full-frame mirrorless camera.
If they are happy with APS-C then they just buy the m50.

I don't see how anything would fit between the R10 and R7 when there's no in-between on the spec sheet.

...unless it's the RP sequel

entoman said:

Would that be a bad thing?

In the case of the RP, I'd guess that the model is almost entirely bought by novices, who just want a very simple MILC from a big name brand. I doubt if they appreciate the extra quality they could get from full frame, but just buy it on the basis of FF being promoted as "better", by marketing departments, salespersons and photographer friends.

In the case of the R, there *could* still be some demand for a cheapish FF model without IBIS. But I think Canon more likely to steer prospective purchasers in the direction of an IBIS-equipped, 24MP crop sensor body, as it gives them a few features/specifications to promote, other than just low price.

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Yes, for me it would be a bad thing. I want a backup full frame body.
A crop sensor would mean buying and carrying an additional wide angle lens for APS-C whereas a full frame sensor would mean that all my existing lenses would cover from 8mm to 500mm.
Backup wouldn't need the same frame rate or eye-AF and be used mostly for landscape/seascapes etc.

No EVF etc would reduce the cost and provide a bridge from phone users to MILCs

The R10 would be for novices from my perspective with traditional camera body ergonomics.

motofotog said:

Has Canon or camera industry has ditched APS-H crop sensors?

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It doesn't seem likely that Canon will ever come out with another APS-H camera, but it would be nice if Canon at least offered an APS-H crop mode in their full frame cameras. I wish I had it in my R5. A 1.3x crop would be a very useful 26 mp or so, instead of the more extreme 17 mp 1.6x crop. I always liked the 1.3x crop and still have my 12 year old 1D mark 4 which is my last remaining DSLR.

David - Sydney said:

Yes, for me it would be a bad thing. I want a backup full frame body.
A crop sensor would mean buying and carrying an additional wide angle lens for APS-C whereas a full frame sensor would mean that all my existing lenses would cover from 8mm to 500mm.
Backup wouldn't need the same frame rate or eye-AF and be used mostly for landscape/seascapes etc.

No EVF etc would reduce the cost and provide a bridge from phone users to MILCs

The R10 would be for novices from my perspective with traditional camera body ergonomics.

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I want a backup FF body too, but having borrowed a friend's RP recently, I quickly realised that (for me), it wouldn't make a good backup for my R5, due to the low resolution, inferior AF, lack of IBIS, different ergonomics and various other factors. I took my friend's RP with me on a 3 week trip to Bolivia and Ecuador last month, with the intention of using my 24-105mm on it for travel shots and landscapes (while using my R5 for wildlife and macro), but in practice the RP stayed in my cambag and I used the R5 for everything.

I'm not clear on what your current body is, but have you considered getting the R (new or secondhand) as a backup? It would seem to fit your requirements well, and would probably be cheaper than this rumoured crop sensor body.

I have no idea what percentage of RP users buy it as an affordable backup, but surely the vast majority are novices, and that is the group that I think Canon will be targeting. Without meaning any disrespect to them, I don't think that user group would know the difference between APS and FF, all they want is an affordable camera from a big name brand...

Snapster said:

Where's the camera for photographers like me who shoot stills almost exclusively and would like ~30mpix on a full frame sensor? I.e. the OG R updated with Digic X, latest autofocus and potentially IBIS. An R6 level variant focused less on FPS and video and more on resolution and image quality for stills. R5 is overkill for me in both resolution and price.

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Fwiw they claim the R6II equals the resolving power of the R despite having fewer megapixels.

entoman said:

I want a backup FF body too, but having borrowed a friend's RP recently, I quickly realised that (for me), it wouldn't make a good backup for my R5, due to the low resolution, inferior AF, lack of IBIS, different ergonomics and various other factors. I took my friend's RP with me on a 3 week trip to Bolivia and Ecuador last month, with the intention of using my 24-105mm on it for travel shots and landscapes (while using my R5 for wildlife and macro), but in practice the RP stayed in my cambag and I used the R5 for everything.

I'm not clear on what your current body is, but have you considered getting the R (new or secondhand) as a backup? It would seem to fit your requirements well, and would probably be cheaper than this rumoured crop sensor body.

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A backup for me would be for B roll/timelapse but also as a last resort if my R5 breaks down.
A failure during a trip would be very disappointing but the backup would need to be full frame so only R/RP is a reasonable option.
A second hand R would be a possibility though especially from those upgrading to R6ii.

entoman said:

I have no idea what percentage of RP users buy it as an affordable backup, but surely the vast majority are novices, and that is the group that I think Canon will be targeting. Without meaning any disrespect to them, I don't think that user group would know the difference between APS and FF, all they want is an affordable camera from a big name brand...

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The RP is a unique market being the cheapest FF MILC. I am sure that Canon knows if that segment has been profitable for them or not. Maybe the R6 sensor could be reused from the parts bin

SnowMiku said:

Interesting, I'm not sure if there would be anything APS-C that would fit in between the R10 and R7 since they do share a few specs. What would make sense to me is an entry level Full Frame to replace the RP, it would be above the R10 and sit below the R7 and it would be named R9 or R8 or maybe RP II, please keep the viewfinder for it.

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Not to mention that it seems like heavy oversaturation at that point.

vangelismm said:

Unfortunately the 24MP R6 mark ii seems to be the Canon answer.

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The R6 ii is 3100€ and R5 is 3400€ with cashback so I really can't justify getting the R6 ii. I wonder why they priced it so high over here.

The a74 has the 33mp bsi sensor I want in a Canon instead of ridiculous fps or amazing video.

David - Sydney said:

Yes, for me it would be a bad thing. I want a backup full frame body.
A crop sensor would mean buying and carrying an additional wide angle lens for APS-C whereas a full frame sensor would mean that all my existing lenses would cover from 8mm to 500mm.
Backup wouldn't need the same frame rate or eye-AF and be used mostly for landscape/seascapes etc.

No EVF etc would reduce the cost and provide a bridge from phone users to MILCs

The R10 would be for novices from my perspective with traditional camera body ergonomics.

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For those looking for a FF backup in Europe, Calumet sells the EOS R for Euro 1199 ("Black Week Deal").
Excellent camera, not only as a backup!

Is there really such a large gap between the R7 and the R10? I would rather like to see an APS-C camera above the R7. One with the BSI stacked sensor for example. An APS-C version of the R3 for around $2,500.

Skyscraperfan said:

Is there really such a large gap between the R7 and the R10? I would rather like to see an APS-C camera above the R7. One with the BSI stacked sensor for example. An APS-C version of the R3 for around $2,500.

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Me too!

Skyscraperfan said:

Is there really such a large gap between the R7 and the R10? I would rather like to see an APS-C camera above the R7. One with the BSI stacked sensor for example. An APS-C version of the R3 for around $2,500.

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Unlimited shooting at max FPS due to the 9.3MP resolution, wooooooo!