Canon is gearing up to finally release a high megapixel camera with 100+ megapixels [CR3]

stevelee · Nov 29, 2022

shadow said:
This is certainly finely detailed. So this is a 1 megapixel cropped shot? of the 102 of entire sensor, give or take a few I'd assume.

"Multi-shot 400MP mode for static subjects" what is this feature? I just was looking at it on a spec sheet. Some sort of lateral shift of adjacent pixel clusters electronically to achieve more density? Like a frame offset up, down, left and right?

About 1.4 MP. If you zoom in, what you see are the actual pixels that Photoshop produced by the RAW interpretation and JPEG conversion, what many of us call 100% crop.

I'm fairly sure the 400 MP mode is done by shifting the internal stabilization mechanism. By "static subject" they aren't kidding. It is useless for landscapes on a still day. Trees move around. Maybe product photography in a studio using electronic shutter and a remote app to fire. I doubt I will ever try it out. Maybe if I ever get a macro lens for it or adapt my Canon, that might be fun to try.

neuroanatomist · Nov 29, 2022

stevelee said:
I'm fairly sure the 400 MP mode is done by shifting the internal stabilization mechanism. By "static subject" they aren't kidding. It is useless for landscapes on a still day. Trees move around. Maybe product photography in a studio using electronic shutter and a remote app to fire. I doubt I will ever try it out. Maybe if I ever get a macro lens for it or adapt my Canon, that might be fun to try.

I can see utility for studio still subjects and perhaps architecture. I can say that pixel shift works great on fixed microscope specimens!

Kit. · Nov 29, 2022

neuroanatomist said:
I can say that pixel shift works great on fixed microscope specimens!

Just wondering what could be the microscope setup with 100S where it wouldn't be diffraction-limited even without pixel-shift.

neuroanatomist · Nov 29, 2022

Kit. said:
Just wondering what could be the microscope setup with 100S where it wouldn't be diffraction-limited even without pixel-shift.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply I was using a 100 MP camera for that application. The first scope camera I used with pixel shift was a Zeiss AxioCam HRc, in the 2000-2001 time frame. It was a $13K camera with a 1.3 MP CCD sensor, and a 3x3 sub-pixel shift combined with a 2x2 full pixel shift (36 captures in total), yielded a 12 MP final image image with no color interpolation.

Generally, more sensor resolution is only needed at low magnification, e.g using objectives in the 1.25 - 5x range. When using a 100x objective, even a VGA resolution sensor is sufficient to capture the optical resolution of the system.

stevelee · Nov 29, 2022

Speaking of diffraction, the few snaps I tried at f/32 didn’t seem to suffer noticeably. Now that I am without the camera for a while and there is not anything that photogenic around, I will likely scrutinize my casual test shots to see what information I might glean from them. I am unlikely to use f/32 in real life often at all.

stevelee · Nov 29, 2022

It occurs to me that I could use the resolution to do a poor man’s shift. (After spending that much for a camera, one might then be a poor man.) Keep the camera level and shoot wide angle. Then you can still have plenty of resolution cropping down to what the shift lens might cover. Focus bracketing (which I haven’t tried with it) could fake some of the effects of tilt.

Dragon · Dec 1, 2022

stevelee said:
It occurs to me that I could use the resolution to do a poor man’s shift. (After spending that much for a camera, one might then be a poor man.) Keep the camera level and shoot wide angle. Then you can still have plenty of resolution cropping down to what the shift lens might cover. Focus bracketing (which I haven’t tried with it) could fake some of the effects of tilt.

Yep, that has promise. You would just need a wide-angle lens with really good edge resolution. The RF 14-35mm impressive in that regard up to about 30mm, but still probably not quite in there with Canon's newer tilt-shift lenses. It does autofocus, however, so for ephemeral stuff it would have a real advantage. It will be interesting to see what the RF tilt-shifts look like when they come out.

stevelee · Dec 1, 2022

Cropping down might well eliminate the far corners. Also for that sort of picture, I'd be stopped down to f/8 or f/11, and the GF lenses are supposed to be good in the corners when stopped down, even my 35–70mm kit lens. My replacement camera is supposed to arrive tomorrow, so the first pretty day I try some of those things out. It will still take me a while to get up to speed on the controls and menus. Some of the things I take for granted on my Canon cameras are there on the Fuji, but off by default, such as touch on the screen. One thing I can try to duplicate is a shot of a small fountain in a nearby park that I took with the 24mm TS-E. I could do it better with the 20–35mm I hope to buy some day. B&H says it will be available December 28. If I get interesting results, I'll post here, since that would still be of interest for folks using high resolution Canons.

photographer · Dec 2, 2022

stevelee said:
When Black Friday prices were announced, I ordered a Fujifilm GFX 100S and the 35–70mm zoom that is the kit lens for another model. Including Payboo’s sales tax rebate, I saved over $1,400. (If I save any more money, I’ll be broke at that rate.) They came yesterday. There is a battery charging issue, so with the in-camera charging I can’t tell whether the battery is bad or the camera’s charging system is bad, or what. (I’m told to set up a video call to troubleshoot.) I plugged the camera into my iPad charger over night and got most of a charge, so I was able to go out this afternoon and take some photos.

I still don’t have any real use case for 102 MP. (I’m not buying a bigger printer nor a bigger house to have enough wall space to hang the pictures.) But the pictures are really impressive. It is too late for much fall color here, and too early for bleak wintery scenes, and I didn’t drive to a scenic location, mostly just shooting some maples that still have leaves. Pixel peeping at 400% on my Mac (really 2X) shows impressive resolution. I cropped down to 1% of a picture and sent the 100% crop to friends to let them know I got the camera. I think I’ll be really happy with the camera and pleasantly surprised with the kit lens, if we can get the battery issue solved. It will take me a while to get used to the menus and dials and figure out what settings I want.. I’ve used Canon cameras since 1970. When it is in stock, I plan to get the 20–35mm zoom. For purposes other than landscapes, I will mostly still use my 6D2. Maybe some day I will get the adaptor for my EF lenses.

It's already Christmas for someone!

I'm also thinking about medium format, but I'm put off by the focus speed and I'd probably miss amazing Canon RF 1.2 lenses. I also think that when canon introduces a high megapixel camera, the difference between MF and FF won't be so big, but maybe I'm wrong.

stevelee · Dec 3, 2022

B&H guy said the hissing and gurgling during charging attempts was enough for them to have me ship the camera back. The replacement is supposed to come tomorrow, since it is now at a FedEx facility 25 miles away. It will be rainy tomorrow, so I’ll have plenty of time for the battery to charge up. And then I’ll do some shooting on Sunday.

I had an f/1.2 lens back in film days. I don’t miss having one now. I almost never shoot wide open with the lenses I have. Focus speed is not an issue for me with landscapes, which is mostly what I’ll shoot with the Fuji. In general, I don’t have the autofocus issues that a lot folks here seem to have. I’m not chasing around flying birds, for one thing. My one afternoon shooting with the camera, I didn’t notice any focus issues. My computer had no problems with the large files in Photoshop. I liked the EV more than I thought I might. This is my first mirrorless ILC and first non-Canon ILC, so I expect to have to adjust. During the time without the camera, I’ve watched videos and read more of the manual.

I think the larger pixels of MF would be an advantage at 100+ MP over FF.

stevelee · Dec 6, 2022

I got the replacement camera Saturday and went to our town's festival and shot some pictures and a bit of video. The camera doesn't hiss and gurgle, so I guess it is OK. page of pictures The JPEGs are about 2% the area of the original Raw files. I did very little editing, mostly a bit of cropping, except for the panorama which is 3 shots stitched together. Everything was handheld. I'm impressed by the IBIS. Apparently the IBIS worked really well in the video also. I shot just 1080p, since I was pretty much using defaults until I learn how to use the camera. I didn't change the color or anything about the video, just edited clips. I went out yesterday and played around with focus bracketing. I didn't expect much, doing it handheld, but I did mostly learned how to do it. I'm really pleased with the camera and glad i bought it. So I have the 20–35mm lens on order now and hope to have it early next year.

This picture is one of the focus bracketing efforts. There are some anomalies from having handheld shots and ornaments moving in the wind. I cleaned up the resulting image a bit.

stevelee · Dec 6, 2022

I will add a word about the EVF. It is not bad during more normal shooting, but with some of the Christmas lights there was an annoying amount of flicker. But I can put up with it for the quality of the results. So I do miss the OVF sometimes. This is my first mirrorless ILC. I paired the camera with the phone app when at home, and apparently the GPS readings did not update when I was downtown, so all the festival pictures show the coordinates of my home location. It doesn’t matter because I know where I was at the time. I’ll just have to be more careful with the GPS updating when I’m traveling.

cayenne · Dec 7, 2022

photographer said:
It's already Christmas for someone! I'm also thinking about medium format, but I'm put off by the focus speed and I'd probably miss amazing Canon RF 1.2 lenses. I also think that when canon introduces a high megapixel camera, the difference between MF and FF won't be so big, but maybe I'm wrong.

Well, two different mindsets. You aren't at this time going for digital MF for speed. It just isn't going to happen.
But those larger sensors, bigger pixels, etc....whew...it really makes some awesome images and fuji glass is good stuff.

But different tools for different jobs.

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