A high megapixel camera is coming [CR2]
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There is a precedent - the Leica M11
"At the heart of the new Leica M11 is a full-frame BSI CMOS sensor with Triple Resolution Technology. Raw image files in DNG format and JPEGs can be recorded at 60, 36 or 18 megapixels, always using the full sensor area. The 60-megapixel option delivers unprecedented image quality and detail resolution, exploiting the full optical potential of Leica’s latest APO Lenses for the M-System – whereas the lower resolutions enable faster camera performance, extended burst lengths, and smaller files." - Photography Blog
So it's absolutely possible that this could be a feature of a forthcoming Canon RF camera.
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It all depends on whether you are using the same lens on each and viewing at the same physical size in mm x mm or you are using different focal length lenses and are viewing the same scene cropped to the same number of pixels and differentially enlarged to the same metric size. And, it's not my view, it's the physics.
If you are using the same focal length lens and viewing at the same metric size, then: minor focus errors; subject movement; camera-shake; high ISO noise; and diffraction-related softness should all be near enough identical. Fine detail should be better for the high resolution sensor, but perceived edge detail may artefactually look lower because smooth transitions may lose their texture and look sharper on the lower Mpx sensor. If there are lens aberrations, high noise, excessive diffraction, movement, bad focus etc the difference in fine detail will decrease, but the high resolution sensor will never give poorer images than the lower.
If, say you are comparing a 80 Mp sensor with a 20 Mpx, which has 1/2 the resolution, and say use a lens of half the the focal length with the high resolution sensor, and look at a crop from the high Mpx blown up 2x to give the same number of pixels, then it is a different story, and will also depend on the f-number of the two lenses. In this case where the high Mpx image is blown up by a factor of two to be observed at the same metric size, then some of minor focus errors; camera-shake; and high ISO noise may be magnified by a factor of 2. If the shorter lens has the same f-number as the longer, the effects of diffraction will be doubled as well. At the very best, the details and sharpness of the twice magnified image from the high Mpx sensor will approach the quality of the lower resolution sensor with twice the focal length of lens.
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I think you missed his point somewhat - I agree from a consumer's perspective your idea is appealing, but if it leads to fewer bodies being sold than segmenting the market, then Canon has no motivation to do it. They obviously want to maximise sales, whichever way they can.Check my reply to neuro, and check the reply from Goldwing
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Finally we are going to get our Long awaited R5s or Rs Camera Body !!
I've been on the Waiting List for for over three tears
I'll take TWO please
Sad it won't have more Separation in Megapixel count from the R5 like the previously rumoured 100 Megapixel Camera
Will let me print a higher resolutions on our Company's 60" Large Wide Format Printer
Sony will probably leap- Frog Canon with their 100 megapixel sensor that has Already been developed in 2019
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Fuji rumoured to be working with Sony to develop a 170 - 200 Megapixel Sensor
Based on the Sensor Tec of their upcoming IMX555CQR Sensor
Glad these Camera Giants are finally moving into Higher Resolution for those who can harness these Extra Pixels
Canon Please step it up to the Magic 100 Megapixel Mark
I've been on the Waiting List for for over three tears
I'll take TWO please
Sad it won't have more Separation in Megapixel count from the R5 like the previously rumoured 100 Megapixel Camera
Will let me print a higher resolutions on our Company's 60" Large Wide Format Printer
Sony will probably leap- Frog Canon with their 100 megapixel sensor that has Already been developed in 2019
Sony Made a 100MP and 6K Full-Frame Sensor for Consumer Cameras
It seems the race to launch a 100-megapixel full-frame sensor is on. Sony has reportedly developed a new 35mm full-frame CMOS sensor that shoots
petapixel.com
Fuji rumoured to be working with Sony to develop a 170 - 200 Megapixel Sensor
Based on the Sensor Tec of their upcoming IMX555CQR Sensor
Glad these Camera Giants are finally moving into Higher Resolution for those who can harness these Extra Pixels
Canon Please step it up to the Magic 100 Megapixel Mark
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Well, to compete with Fuji Medium Format (Digital), the GFX line, Canon is going to have to start making MF sized sensors.
MP alone doesn't a MF make...you gotta have a bigger sensor with more pixels too.....
I'd LOVE to see Canon dip their toe into digital MF....but not holding my breath on that one...
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I agree entirely that from Canon's perspective, segmentation is beneficial.
It's probably just wishful thinking on the part of myself and others, that Canon would make a more versatile machine, although that's exactly what they did with the R5.
But Canon are well and truly on a roller at the moment, with at least 3 new models expected this year, and they're already grabbing a large section of the market with the R5, R6 and soon the R3. So, it's feasible that they could bring out a real killer machine, in the form of a super-versatile, dual-resolution hybrid gripped "R1" body, although it would may well be sold at Leica-like prices.
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Now THAT is a very interesting question, and one that I've been wondering about myself.
Sony of course has for many years been updating models and creating exactly the same problem for itself -even more so, considering that it retains older models in parallel with the new ones, so I'd expect Canon to adopt a similar approach with the RF cameras.
So what would I expect, or hope, to see in a R5Mkii?
- Higher resolution blackout-free EVF with higher dynamic range and "natural" rendering.
- Option for low, medium and fast fps with electronic shutter.
- Exposure bracketing with electronic shutter.
- Better energy management and possibly a new larger high performance battery.
- Faster sensor readout and data transfer.
- More intelligent subject recognition, dispensing with (or at least, reducing) the need for focus cases or manual subject selection.
- The same 45MP sensor resolution as the R5, but possibly a new stacked BSI design.
- Additional customisation options.
- Use of AI technology to enable accurate registration of in-camera focus-stacking and HDR with RAW output file.
- AF joystick redesigned.
If 6 or 7 out of the above 10 enhancements made it to the R5Mkii, I'd likely get one. I'd use it as my primary camera, and retain the R5 as a backup (or carry both in some situations, fitted with different lenses).
Few of these improvements would conflict with other models in the range, if they kept their own basic specification and added similar enhancements.
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As I recall, the world-wide market for MF bodies are in the few thousands. 5-6K maybe.
@neuroanatomist will surely remember the number off the top of his head.
I sincerely doubt that Canon has any interest in going into such a small market when they would have to make both bodies and lenses for an MF format. That is, unless they use an existing bayonet system. Which would seem very unlike Canon to be.
With all these "this ain't Canon" statements, surely someone is going to point out that Canon did do something like XXX at some point in time
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I'm trying to understand the buffer issue you have... The digital picture did some tests on the R5 and came up with the following.
Are you using mechanical or electronic shutter?
What number of shots would you be taking in your sports shooting and over how much time? 12fps raw + raw on 512GB cards would only get you ~60 bursts of 15 seconds
cRaw would certainly improve on these figures further but it hard to see how the buffer is a major issue even with full size raw files.
| Test | Image Count | Seconds |
| 12 fps RAW > CFexpress | 405 | 33.8 |
| 12 fps RAW > SD | 182 | 15.0 |
| 12 fps RAW + RAW | 175 | 14.6 |
| 20 fps RAW > CFexpress | 146 | 7.3 |
| 20 fps RAW > SD | 110 | 5.5 |
| 20 fps RAW + RAW | 104 | 5.2 |
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I can only speak to my personal experience. R5 with Raw in slot 1 and jpg in slot 2 as backup. If I'm shooting a basketball player running down the court and doing a layup, the R5 buffer will often fill before he or she reaches the basket (shooting mechanical shutter on the R5 High Speed +). Then, the camera is frozen while waiting for the buffer to clear (you can shoot once the buffer gets to a certain point, but it will immediately fill up again if it isn't completely cleared.
With the R3, you can usually complete the play before the buffer fills, but I've still had the occasional problem where it doesn't clear in time for the next play. Using the electronic shutter High Speed +.
I don't know how Brian conducted his tests, so I can't speak to them. I suppose it isn't the size of the buffer, but the speed at which it clears that is the problem.
As I've said many times before, it's never been a problem with birds in flight, but in sports, where one play can quickly follow another, it can present a challenge to capture that second play.
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All mirrorless (and DSLR in live view) use video off the sensor. They are already processing video so the incremental cost is small for firmware to handle video output especially as Canon has already managed all the codecs in the R5/R5c. I would be surprised if Canon added oversampling from 75mp to 8k with significant thermal record times but using a ~1.3 crop from the sensor would be simple.
I am not suggesting that the R5 has sufficient mp for you only to put it in context as the 5Ds/r has roughly the same resolution as the R5 and basically replaced it as the high resolution Canon body.
The current R5 has better ISO, a faster flash sync (1/250 vs 1/200) and way faster fps. If a R5s has the same specs then it would meet your wish list.
The R5/R5 don't have the same fps in mechanical and electronic shutter. Are you suggesting that the R5s should have 12fps mechanical/20fps electronic? What would be your use case for these speeds (+60% data throughput than R5)? Canon has previously limited their action bodies to smaller sensor mp.
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How many shots are you taking in a basketball game?
It is great that Canon offers a cRaw option at full res with very little shadow loss (as far as I can see in the raw files and read online tests).
I never understood the calls for small/medium/large raw option from the current 5Ds/r users vs cRaw
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This isn't entirely true. A higher MP camera can pick up motion blur that a lower MP camera does not. It may be an optical phenomenon, but the motion is across a pixel grid. It is possible for a finer grid to detect a moving line across two pixels where on a coarser grid the moving line never leaves the bounds of one.
And if the higher MP sensor does pickup motion blur, you can see it at the same view size just like you can see increased sharpness and fine detail in a non-blurred shot. This depends of course on the view size and how well the medium preserves the full resolution. It's a narrow window between both cameras showing blur and only one showing blur. Or perhaps neither showing it at the intended view size. But that window does exist. I can't reliably hand hold a 5Ds to the same shutter speeds as a 5D mark III.
That said, people make way too much of this. I shoot my 5Ds at the same shutter speeds I used to shoot my 7D at. So the higher resolution costs me...a half stop? Maybe a 75mp camera would cost a full stop to be on the safe side? How much do we gain from IBIS? From improved OIS in lenses? When the 5Ds and 5DsR came out there were people who acted like they had to be tripod mounted at all times, which is complete nonsense even without IS lenses. A slight increase in the possibility of capturing some motion blur is no reason to avoid a higher MP body.
As to AF: Canon did take steps to improve accuracy on the 5Ds/5DsR. And it worked. But more to the point, this new body will use dual or quad pixel AF. Focusing will be at the sensor with millions of points analyzing the scene. I doubt AF accuracy will be an issue.
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We need a high MP FAQ at the head of every rumor about a high MP body
- Lenses/sensors do not "out resolve" each other. Improving either will improve the final result. There are of course diminishing returns. But as demonstrated by Bob Atkins in his 5Ds review, even the worst lens will produce a better result on a higher MP sensor.
- High ISO noise performance is dominated by sensor size, not pixel size. A high MP RF body is very likely to have the same high ISO performance as the R5.
- Pixel size has not been strongly correlated with base ISO DR for years. It's likely a high MP RF body will have at least as much DR as the R5.
- There is a bit of truth to motion blur claims. A high MP sensor can sometimes pickup blur that a lower MP sensor does not. But we're talking about 0.5-1 stop faster shutter speeds to compensate. No, a high MP RF body will not be stuck on a tripod.
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