There are 4 wide-angle L prime lenses coming in the next 12 months [CR2]

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I owned the 70-300 L and really liked it, but honestly, I hardly ever used it after I got the 100-400 L and it just sat on the shelf for years. I suspect the same would be the case now, since I have the 100-500 L. If I am at all typical that may be one reason why the once popular 70-300 zooms have not been a priority for Canon's RF lineup. With the APS-C R bodies now being released, we may see a non-L 70-300 before we see an L version.
I owned both the 100-400L and the 70-300L. After getting the 600/4L II, I sold the 100-400 but kept the 70-300L as a more portable option when needed. I did not use it very much, though, so I eventually sold it. I don't think I'd buy a replacement in RF mount unless it comes in at the size weight of the 24-105/4 somehow. I do have the 100-500L, which is a stellar lens both optically and when used for that purpose.

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EOS R3, RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L IS USM @ 151mm, 3.2 s, f/8, ISO 12800
 
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I'm basing my comments on reviews where images taken with the RF100-400mm have been posted, which show softness at maximum aperture, and more significant softness at F11 and beyond. I'll try to find links and post them later, if I have time. When I saw the review images, it was enough to convince me that my comment about it being effectively a fixed F8 lens was warranted. Prior to seeing the reviews, I'd actually strongly considered getting the RF100-400mm, but have since changed my mind.

I'm very critical of sharpness. However, I recommended the lens (based on what AlanF has said about it) to a friend who is willing to accept that level of sharpness in exchange for the light weight and lowish cost. In a few days time I'll have the opportunity to briefly try his lens out on my R5, and may be able to comment further.
If you don't have any experience with the lens you really shouldn't make definitive statements. Is it the sharpest lens in the lineup - no of course no. Do you need to shoot at f/8 - no, of course not, at least not in my experience.

It's funny how people dwell on sharpness when a lot of the final result of your image's sharpness depends on what you have as the sharpness setting in your camera, and then how you post-process. With a good post-processing program the lens's sharpness is almost immaterial, in my opinion.
 
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Yes the RF 100-500mm is a great lens, although not such a leap forward from the EF 100-400mm Mkii as I expected. The weight saving e.g. is not even noticeable to me, and the difference in sharpness is welcome but not exactly mind-blowing. I think you'd be happy with the EF 100-400mm Mkii in conjunction with the 1.4x iii, unless you really need something lighter and more compact.

The RF "L" lenses are extremely expensive, and Canon looks to be trying to move even further upmarket regarding prices, specifications and performance, which is why a lot of folk are finding it so concerning that the middle-ground is being left behind, especially in the absence of third party alternatives.

To be clear, I don't blame Canon in any way for this, they are in business to make money, but it's mighty concerning for those on a limited budget and who don't want or need wide maximum apertures, but who do need sharp lenses with high build quality. I think Tony Northrup summed the situation up pretty well.
Probably has already been mentioned, but the middle ground is EF "L" lenses. You might even say buying them used is bordering on inexpensive for some of the EF L lenses. So for those who want sharp lenses with high build quality, you have an enormous amount of lenses available.
 
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Always a great option to adapt older, heavier and optically weaker lenses in a dead mount rather than offer modern first or third party options in the current mount!
Adapting IS a good option. Specifically to EF adapter, it retains 100% of the lens' original performance, adds a few extra tricks on top all without you having to break the bank, and the slight difference in weight and bulk is negligible. I don't see that being the case on Nikon nor Sony adapters.

Canon will flesh out the entire RF line-up in due time.

Besides, a lot of the best films and photos today are shot with those adapted older, heavier, and optically weaker lenses in a 'dead mount'. Go look at the Canon FD aspherical lenses that sell for the price of a modern day big white as prime examples.
 
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If you don't have any experience with the lens you really shouldn't make definitive statements. Is it the sharpest lens in the lineup - no of course no. Do you need to shoot at f/8 - no, of course not, at least not in my experience.

It's funny how people dwell on sharpness when a lot of the final result of your image's sharpness depends on what you have as the sharpness setting in your camera, and then how you post-process. With a good post-processing program the lens's sharpness is almost immaterial, in my opinion.
I'd have to disagree there.

If your starting point is a perfectly focused, movement-free image, taken with an "average" lens, and then you carefully process the RAW with Topaz DeNoise AI (as I do) you can certainly get a very sharp and detailed end result.

But, if your starting point is an image taken with a high-end L optic (or similar from Nikon, Sony, Sigma) it will look even better, and won't suffer from the slightly "digital, plasticky" look that comes from sharpening an image that is softer to start with. For example, I can certainly tell the difference between sharpened images taken with my RF 800mm F11, and those taken with my RF 100-500mm L.
 
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Probably has already been mentioned, but the middle ground is EF "L" lenses. You might even say buying them used is bordering on inexpensive for some of the EF L lenses. So for those who want sharp lenses with high build quality, you have an enormous amount of lenses available.
Yes, and I've recommended exactly that approach to others here in past threads. But, I think most people would prefer a native RF lens rather than have to use an adaptor, and it's also worth getting RF versions because they are almost invariably sharper, and have significantly better stabilisation.
 
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I am just wondering why they are using slow STM motors in consumer lenses when they have the super-fast, quiet and tiny nano-USM.
They even used that motor in some cheaper lenses (EF 70-300) then decided to go with the worse STM. What is that if not market segmentation?
Possibly they may just have a large supply of STM motors to use up, or may be tied into a long contract with whoever manufactures those motors. Another possibility is that some lens (mostly older) designs may just work better with STM, due to weight/momentum of lens elements, distance of focus-throw, torque requirements, or some mechanical restrictions that we don't know about. I'd imagine that Canon have very good reasons, either technical or business-related, for choosing STM in certain circumstances.
 
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I owned both the 100-400L and the 70-300L. After getting the 600/4L II, I sold the 100-400 but kept the 70-300L as a more portable option when needed. I did not use it very much, though, so I eventually sold it. I don't think I'd buy a replacement in RF mount unless it comes in at the size weight of the 24-105/4 somehow. I do have the 100-500L, which is a stellar lens both optically and when used for that purpose.

"Ajax Peak Stars" (Telluride, CO)
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EOS R3, RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L IS USM @ 151mm, 3.2 s, f/8, ISO 12800
Darn it. That got me thinking. If they made a 70-300 f4 L (Replacing both the 300 F4 prime and the 70-300 L) I might find such a lens hard to resist.
 
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