Daughters see, daughters doWhat a photographic family!
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Daughters see, daughters doWhat a photographic family!
Based on YOUR "facts".As you said, the buying behavior for cameras changed in the last 15 years.
15 years ago a lot of people (me included) weren't spending that much money in their (smart)phones. Therefore impulse purchases for "real" cameras were far more likely.
Nowadays smartphone cameras are so good that only an decreasing(!) number of people are willing to spend their money in additional "traditional" cameras. These people are more aware of what they need and what they buy regarding photography. If you already have spent 800€ (or even more) in your iPhone13 you are well aware that spending only 500€ in a camera (with kit lens) won't give you much (or even no) advantage to your smartphone!
M isn't dying because of the R system. It is dying because it cannot evolve with time.
It is limited to small, cheap, light which was good enough while (smart)phone cameras were also limited. But this is not enough to compete with increasingly powerful smartphone cameras nowadays and in the future.
For nearly every photographing subject you will also find very good smartphone examples nowadays. The big advantages of traditional cameras are better tracking capabilities of fast moving subjects with higher burst speed and more reach (tele lenses). Especially everything combined as in sports and wildlife photography.
M never offered this nor probably(!) will.
R does and will also do in the future.
This is my OPINION (based on facts).
Most people do not need serious cameras.I can't understand why smartphones are considered as serious cameras by some people.
I'm in the "the best camera is the one that you have with you" camp. For a lot of situations bringing a 'proper' camera isn't practical and having *a* picture is better than having no picture.[..]I can't understand why smartphones are considered as serious cameras by some people. [..]
At least better than based on YOUR farts.Based on YOUR "facts".
I can't understand why smartphones are considered as serious cameras by some people. Smartphones are more a lifestyle product with a lot of compromises. While computational photography sometimes might improve a photo a lot, imagine how good it would look if you applied those same algorithms to a full frame photo.
Why uuse a smartphone, if a real camera would allow you to get so much more light onto your sensor? Diffraction is a huge problem from a certain f-stop and it gets worse the smaller the sensor is. Those smartphone also cheat a lot when it comes to specs. No smartphone has an f/2 lens. A full frame f/2 lens already is an f/2.8 or so at APS-C and it gets worse and worse the smaller it gets. So a tiny smartphone might have an f/10 or f/14 lens with all its downsides. Those smartphones need to apply very aggressive noise reduction algorithms and that become very visible if you look at the 100% version of a smartphone photo.
How do you define 'real camera'? Why use a FF camera, when a large format digital back allows you to get so much more light onto your sensor? The LargeSense LS45 camera has ~25x larger area than a FF sensor, that's double the ~12x difference between the new iPhone 14 Pro's sensor and a FF sensor.Why uuse a smartphone, if a real camera would allow you to get so much more light onto your sensor?
You just won the prize for most stupid post of the year...At least better than based on YOUR farts.
Of course cameras are always compromises, but a compromise usually is something in the middle of the spectrum and not at the extrem low end with the smallest possible sensor. A full frame is pretty much a compromise between very heavy and for most of us unffordable cameras and a smartphone.How do you define 'real camera'? Why use a FF camera, when a large format digital back allows you to get so much more light onto your sensor? The LargeSense LS45 camera has ~25x larger area than a FF sensor, that's double the ~12x difference between the new iPhone 14 Pro's sensor and a FF sensor.
The reason is compromise.
Similarly, a smartphone is a compromise between a dedicated camera kit one must make an effort to carry at one extreme and no camera at all at the other extreme. For most people, a cell phone is always with them… and cameras are one of the main areas in which smartphones have been improving year over year.Of course cameras are always compromises, but a compromise usually is something in the middle of the spectrum and not at the extrem low end with the smallest possible sensor. A full frame is pretty much a compromise between very heavy and for most of us unffordable cameras and a smartphone.
About 3 years ago I decided to replace my G7X II. The G7X III had come out, but it made advances in areas not so relevant to me. I went to Best Buy and looked at the M50. It seemed like a nice camera in a convenient size and price. But I decided that for travel I still preferred a camera that would fit in my jacket or pants pocket, and bought a G5X II. That worked out great for me for the trip to Italy and a Mediterranean cruise I did that fall. I took 3000 pictures with it. My only disappointment with it was some basketball video I shot this summer. The autofocus fished around too much at the beginning of shots. I should have just focused manually on a rim and depended upon the depth of field in the small lens to keep everything sharp enough. Also, extended 4K time cause overheating. I thought, great, I could have the 5R experience for thousands of dollars less. So I shot some of the video with my iPhone while the camera cooled off. But for stills, I have no complaints. So I can see where the daughter was coming from.After adding an M6II to my cart, it occurred to me that I’ve also got an EOS R that I am planning to sell, and an RF 24-240 on that would also be a possibility for my oldest. So I put the M18-150 on the M6 and the RF 24-105/4 (not too different from the 24-240) on the R and asked her preference.
Turned out her preference was just to swap with her sister and use a P&S for simplicity and pocketability. Best laid plans and all that…
on a 1920x1080 screen on a notebook those images will always look great and on Instagram even more
I can't understand why smartphones are considered as serious cameras by some people.
Since I started selecting shirts to be able to fit a Kindle, I noticed that it isn't so much the size that makes keeping a phone in your shirt pocket annoying, it's the weight and grip. Bend over slightly and that glass and metal brick will come sliding out at warp speed![..]I want a phone that fits in my shirt pocket. [..]