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If I were an enterprising young man with a great staff of optical engineers, I'd develop an EF lens that was designed to be used with the EF-RF converter, and in fact used the space in the adapter to get the rearmost element closer to the sensor. But that might be cheating too. Still, it'd be an eF lens, but not compatible with an EF camera.
Good idea. That way those 'EF' lenses might even fit Sony, Nikon, Panasonic mirrorless with the correct adapter. But unfortunately there will always be some retards that will try it on a DSLR and crash the mirror ;)
 
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neuroanatomist

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But I tend to agree with your criticisms of the RF 100mm macro, having replaced my EF 100mm IS macro with the RF version. Canon clearly wanted to be seen to add something "extra" to the new lens. For me the SA control is a complete waste, and the 1.4x reproduction ratio isn't something I need, as I rarely shoot closer than half life size. ... Another criticism frequently aimed at the RF version is that it suffers from focus-breathing, although in practice I've found that the shift is more than covered by the depth of field at the apertures I commonly use (F5.6-F9.5).
I generally agree, which is why I have kept my EF 100/2.8L Macro and not bought the RF version. I do often want to shoot at >1x magnification, but for that I have the MP-E 65mm 1-5x.
 
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I already own EF 100mm L along with Venus 100mm and wont upgrade to that overpriced RF 100mm L(wont even buy it at $750 which is what I paid for EF 100mm L). For RF-S there needs to be a good tele zoom along with replacements for 60mm and 35mm Macros. Unfortunately 180mm Macro is not on priority for any lens manufacturer right now so I am stuck to borrowing either Sigma 180 2.8 or EF 180 when I need it.
I'd be surprised if they release an APS-C telephoto zoom. They never went beyond 250mm for EF-S and 200mm for EF-M.
 
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I didn’t get into the Canon ecosystem all those years ago for slow prosumer zooms and shitty kit lenses. Are we saying that’s what Canon is now? Is f/2.8 the fastest they can do without horrid barrel distortion and vignetting?
Are you aware of the RF 28-70mm f/2L, which was one of the first lenses announced for the mount? Yes, it's big and heavy (relatively speaking, it's a lot smaller and lighter than my 600/4 II). But for me it's like carrying around a bag of primes, since I usually shoot them at ~f/2 anyway, and unlike the EF 35/50/85L that benefit optically from being stopped down, the 28-70/2 is optically excellent wide open.
 
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It would be helpful and encouraging if Canon produced a timeframe and list of lenses that they plan to release in the next 2-3 years, but plans often change, due to development issues, supply chain issues and various other factors, so I don't think we're likely to see this happen.

I agree completely that there needs eventually to be a middle-tier of high quality Canon glass, with modest maximum apertures, high build quality and sensible pricing. At the moment we have two extremes - expensive L exotica, or "affordable" lenses such as 16mm F2.8, 600mm F11 etc. But Canon is prioritising the lenses that it believes will sell in the largest numbers and bring in the highest profits. I think eventually the middle ground will be filled, but it isn't going to happen for at least another couple of years, as they haven't yet filled out the L range or the budget range.


Overall, Nikon glass is at least as good as Canon glass, and in some cases better. I can't see Canon or Nikon allowing the other to use their protocols.

Same for Olympus - their Zuiko lenses are incredibly sharp, extremely well built, very light, compact and sensibly priced, so why would an OM user want to slap Canon glass on?
Good point about supply chain issues, though I think everyone is suffering the same conditions.

I think we have a couple of what I'd call middle tier lenses - the RF 85 f/2 might be considered middle tier, as would maybe the 35 f/1.8 (though I don't think there's much room for a lens below either, unless Canon decides to toss out a $200 version of each). There is room for an 85 f/1.4 (and the EF lens is very good for that spot in the meantime). A mid-range 50 is obviously missing, especially since the high end 50/1.2, while potentially the best 50 mm out there, is way too expensive for us mere mortals. Right now, I have the 50/1.2L EF version, which really is nice, warts and all. An awful lot of great images have come from that lens (well, in the right hands, which may not be mine).

You're probably right about Nikon and Olympus, or anyone else outside of a few smaller players - Canon selling glass in other mounts is probably not going to happen. Unless Canon buys Sigma or something like that, but given their ability to spit out 4-6 new designs a year, that really isn't necessary except to gain a foothold in other brands' markets.
 
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I'd be surprised if they release an APS-C telephoto zoom. They never went beyond 250mm for EF-S and 200mm for EF-M.

I agree - the size advantage of APS-C disappears as the lens gets longer because the diameter of the entrance pupil is governed by the f/stop. 600 mm lens and f/4 will have a minimum of 150 mm diameter entrance pupil regardless of the size of image it projects at the other end of the lens.
 
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I'd be surprised if they release an APS-C telephoto zoom. They never went beyond 250mm for EF-S and 200mm for EF-M.
Perhaps @Chaitanya means something along the lines of an RF-S 55-200/250mm zoom? The RF-S 18-150 is a straight repackaging of the optics from the EF-M 18-150, the could easily do the same with the EF-M 55-200mm, or design one going to 250mm like the EF-S version.

Certainly it's true that longer focal lengths gain nothing in terms of design from the smaller image circle.
 
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Perhaps @Chaitanya means something along the lines of an RF-S 55-200/250mm zoom? The RF-S 18-150 is a straight repackaging of the optics from the EF-M 18-150, the could easily do the same with the EF-M 55-200mm, or design one going to 250mm like the EF-S version.

Certainly it's true that longer focal lengths gain nothing in terms of design from the smaller image circle.
I wouldn't be surprised* either way; it's certainly far more likely than a new design.

*to avoid self contradiction, I would be surprised if they released an APS-C zoom that was telephoto all the way; I reckon the RF 100-400 fills that gap.
 
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OBS: All the new lenses have IS, it's just one more thing to break inside the lens.
Should probably go back to film cameras and fully manual lenses. Cameras and lenses these days are all new fangledy and are just chock full of stuff that can break.

In fact, maybe stick to paintbrushes and canvas. Sure, it's a bit slower but then the only moving parts are your joints. No, that won't work since those can break, too.

:rolleyes:
 
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Berowne

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You don't understand . . . People who want cheaper alternatives . . . To the expensive lenses on Canon's modern camera system? And you also claim that you, yourself, are making compromises (ostensibly for financial reasons) and that's why you use EF glass instead, even though it works well "at the right setting," in your case?

Bruddah, you have got to raise your standards lol. This sounds like Stockholm Syndrome!
My standards are ok.
 
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I generally agree, which is why I have kept my EF 100/2.8L Macro and not bought the RF version. I do often want to shoot at >1x magnification, but for that I have the MP-E 65mm 1-5x.
The focus motors of my original EF 100mm macro were worn out after 8 years of heavy use. I should have just bought another EF copy , but I just assumed that the new RF lens would be better. How wrong could I be?
 
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Same for Olympus - their Zuiko lenses are incredibly sharp, extremely well built, very light, compact and sensibly priced, so why would an OM user want to slap Canon glass on?
meh. Olympus is interesting for sure, but their 300 f4 is not cheap. It's better than the EF 300 4L, but not cheap at all. In a backyard handheld test of the inexpensive options, a Canon M6II with an adapted 55-250 at 250 was better than a 70-300 on an EM1MarkII, cropping the canon shot to same field of view.
 
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meh. Olympus is interesting for sure, but their 300 f4 is not cheap. It's better than the EF 300 4L, but not cheap at all. In a backyard handheld test of the inexpensive options, a Canon M6II with an adapted 55-250 at 250 was better than a 70-300 on an EM1MarkII, cropping the canon shot to same field of view.
The new 150-400 f/4.5 + 1.25 TB does look good but at £6499 is not exactly cheap.
 
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