Canon officially announces the Canon EOS R6 Mark II, Canon RF 135mm f/1.8L IS USM and Canon Speedlite EL-5

mxwphoto

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To all those who complain about the camera's spec sheet not being up to par/expectations ergo "I will sell off all my Canon gear at a discount and spend a ton of money to buy the other brand's replacement!", please take a deep breath, go out, find some inspiration and shoot interesting photos or video.

Photography and film have been around for over a hundred years and it has always been about the stunning resulting product be it subject, the decisive moment, the grandeur, etc etc. It has never been about what camera was used.

Old pros sure as heck didn't have the spray and pray 40fps or whatnot nor the dynamic range of modern sensors. Heck, lots were even shot on manual focus! It took experience and skill back then to actually learn and shoot photos, hence why only select few are photographers.

Not my pictures:

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Czardoom

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That's all it is. Complete firmware updates. An antique image sensor that is not even a BSI CMOS. A plain CMOS sensor. If you're impressed with firmware coding and 40fps electronic shutter only, waste your money. Any tech savy person knows the difference betweeen hardware and firmware. Heck Nikon did a recent firmware update to its Z9 and stated that its a entirely new camera.
So, what you are clearly stating - by your own words - is that you are NOT a tech savvy person. You somehow think BSI is a huge tech advance - it is not and has almost no advantage in a FF sensor. You call this sensor an antique, well, that is so stupid it needs no reply.

You sound like a mindless gear-head that would gladly pay hundreds (if not more) for a camera as long as the tech is shiny and NEW - even if it offered no benefit or improvement.

And when we don't all agree with you, you feel compelled to repeat the same garbage over and over.

Perhaps you should heed the old saying, "it's better to keep silent and seem a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
 
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Czardoom

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How many times does have to be posted: the US prices are without sales tax, the EU and UK have about 20% sales tax added. €2990 is about $2490 when the VAT etc is removed. The price in the EU is the same as the US without taxes. But, the UK gets robbed by Canon EU. Our price is £2799, which equates to about €3250, a mark up of 8.5%.
It has to be posted over and over because people want to complain and are too stupid to understand.
 
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Any tech savy person knows the difference betweeen hardware and firmware.
You mean tech savvy people like you who spew asinine claims that stacked BSI sensors are cheaper to produce than FSI sensors and are unwilling (far more likely, unable) to produce any evidence to substantiate your BS?

Or do you mean people who are actually tech savvy? And you have the gall to call others idiots.

Stop being a jackass. Better yet, go troll somewhere else.
 
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dlee13

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Maybe you should consider that the US is the biggest market. In countries such as UK (where I live) distributors and dealers simply don't have the bulk purchasing power available in the US market. Consequently I usually purchase grey market from HK, although I make exceptions where savings are minimal (such as my RF 100-400mm just purchased in the UK).

I know they are the biggest market but other brands here in Australia don’t charge insane amounts, it’s only Canon. They block third party lenses and charge stupidly high amounts for both EF and RF lenses whereas other brands like Sony charge nearly half the price so pretty hard to justify it.

Again, in Australia you are at the mercy of the increased cost of Canon glass and bodies because they only offer 5 year warranties. Sony offers a 2 years warranty.

If you were to buy the RF 135 from the US with Australian dollars it would cost you $3303.95 at the current exchange rate and would have no Australian warranty. Yes $665 is a lot to pay for an extra 3 years of warranty but still comparing US pricing to Australian is not really apples to apples because of the extra warranty.

Here in Canada the Canon RF 135 in Canada costs $2849.99 CDN before taxes if I was to buy it from the US at the current exchange rate = $2099 USD to CDN = $2877.21 so we are saving a little in Canada over buying in the US. Also many of the US retailers are no longer shipping some items to Canada addresses.

Still just a 1 year warranty in Canada and here in BC you can add 12% to the $2849.99 =

$3191.98 out the door.
The problem with that is even despite the warranty an extra 3 years doesn’t equate nearly double the cost. If I bought the 135GM from the US it would be just as expensive but the point it Sony Australia already price it at a fair and reasonable $2300 AUD so the fact Canon charges double that for IS and an extra 3 years warranty is insane.

It’s more of a case that we are a smaller market, B&H doesn’t ship to AU addresses so Canon is trying to milk us for all we have compared to other brands that charge fair amounts.
Canon is already giving Canadians a good rebate on the R6 Mark II. canon.ca has an MSRP of 3499$ for the R6 and 3299$ for the R6 Mark II
Good that you are getting decent prices over there! It’s $4599 AUD at launch here!
 
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Czardoom

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I doubt it's intended to be. People seem to think Canon should develop each camera's in-line successor to be a compelling upgrade for current owners and are surprised when that's not the case. Especially not in this case where the cycle time was <2.5 years.

In general, it seems upgrades are intended to attract users of lower-tier bodies or in-line bodies that are 2-3 iterations back. At this point, Canon is still trying to move their DSLR user base (which is very large) to MILCs. Given that, this camera is likely intended to appeal to 6DII and 5DIII users.
Pretty obvious. Shouldn't need to be stated. Has always been the case and will even more likely be the case as the tech has reached maturity.
 
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I have to say, I'm rather impressed that this 24 MP non-stacked sensor has a read-out speed fast enough to support 40 FPS. I'm clearly no expert, but I really thought a stacked sensor would have been needed to achieve this rate at this resolution.
The R7 32.5 Mpx sensor at 30 fps is reading out data at the same rate as 24 Mpx at 40 fps, ie ~960 Mpx/s. But, the R6II shows its speed in its far less rolling shutter.
 
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Czardoom

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Better low Light, faster read out speed would prevent banding using electronic shutter
I think you are confusing BSI sensor with a stacked sensor. Stacked sensors offer faster readout speed allowing faster burst rates and reducing rolling shutter among other things. BSI, as far as I have seen, does not do much for a FF sensor.
 
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TukTuk

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I think you are confusing BSI sensor with a stacked sensor. Stacked sensors offer faster readout speed allowing faster burst rates and reducing rolling shutter among other things. BSI, as far as I have seen, does not do much for a FF sensor.
BSI by moving most of wiring behind does allow for better light collection - so "Better low Light" is true... and I am not aware about any stacked FSI sensor - so wiring behind makes it apparently more doable to stack ( if we have 2 separate chips and if it is a one chip stacked design then it has to be BSI , as the wafer has to be exposed on the back side to lay out DRAM etc on that same imaging chip behind sensels)
 
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I think you are confusing BSI sensor with a stacked sensor. Stacked sensors offer faster readout speed allowing faster burst rates and reducing rolling shutter among other things. BSI, as far as I have seen, does not do much for a FF sensor.
the question was "This is a genuine question: how would a BSI stacked sensor help with wedding photography, specifically?"
And I provided the answer, better low light and faster read out speed...
 
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TukTuk

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You somehow think BSI is a huge tech advance - it is not and has almost no advantage in a FF sensor.
not huge but still writing is on the wall - more so w/ more megapixels (think 40mp APS-C for example or Sony Semi made 20mp M43 sensor with quad pixel AF for OM-1 - because you know that is 80 mega sensels on m43 chip = 320 megasensels on FF chip) and also BSI is precondition for stacking at least when we will have FF sensors made as one chip, not separate stacked chips
 
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David - Sydney

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Except the general market probably isn't there. I shoot weddings professionally and can't use a form factor larger than the R5/R6 - It's just too big when you add a lens for all day use with two bodies. I expect the R5 mkii will get something like a 39mp BSI stacked and then Canon will drop a 90+ mp camera to counter the drop in R5 resolution.
No way that the R5ii will decrease in resolution. The R5 introduces 8k to the hybrid market and it would be crazy to think that a successor wouldn't have that ability!

You need 45mp (3:2) to get DCI/UHD 8k video and it also translates nicely to 4K/HD when oversampling compared to A7RV which needs to oversample from the full sensor or have a crop if they ever release raw recording.
 
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David - Sydney

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Well, there has to be an R5 MK II next year, right? Because the fact that it doesn't have a hotshoe is becoming a huge problem, not to mention some of the video issues that have been subsequently enhanced in much-cheaper bodies that have been released.
Clearly you mean the multi-function hotshoe but there is anecdotal evidence that the R5's hotshoe isn't as robust as the 5Div so I am very careful when the flash is attached.
 
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David - Sydney

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TBH, long warranties are of questionable value - if anything goes wrong with a camera or lens, it's usually either DOA or is discovered within the first couple of weeks. Things seldom wear out, and they only usually break if the item gets dropped, immersed or otherwise abused, in which case the warranty is invalid anyway.
Long warranties give piece of mind and a competitive differentiator. Things do wear over time... cars are a good analogy here and also for the second hand market if the warranty is transferable.

The other thing to consider is that Canon released firmware allowing higher temperature recording which generally does reduce semiconductor lifespan. The extended warranty will cover my use of that feature which is nice... ~3 years to go :)
 
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