Canon RF-S 11-22mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM coming first half of 2023

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I'm glad this is finally going to exist, but it looks like Canon is putting even less effort into APS-C than they normally do, which I didn't think was possible.

We started with the 18-45mm which had a narrower zoom range and slower aperture than the EF-M equivalent, and now the wide angle zoom doesn't even reach a modest f/4.

At this rate the prime lenses will be 22mm f/3.5 and 32mm f/2.8... and cost more than the EF-M primes.
 
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I see today an EOY B&H closeout on the Sigma 16 f 1.4 DN DC for canon ef-m. Tempting, nice lens, but does it make sense to spend money on defunct system? Hmm... wait for port of Sigma lens to RF-S -- oops, blocked by Canon, not gonna happen any time soon. Wait for Canon to come out with a similar lens? Hahahaha. Nope. Never.

On the bright side, I get to keep my money. :)
 
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I don’t mind being noticeable (the R3 sort of stands out anyway). I also don’t mind the extra weight for a lens that will be used often on a trip. But for urban European destinations, if I’m going to bring a heavy lens I’d choose the 11-24/4 over the 100-500L. With the RF 100-400, I’ll likely bring both (in addition to the RF 14-35, 24-105 and TS-E 17).
If you don't mind me saying, that's quite a bit of focal length overlap with lenses which won't go faster than f/4... you could get rid of one of the UWA zooms at least. Not criticizing you, just curious about why the overlap and the lack of at least one faster lens?
Even better value right now, with the current rebate dropping the price by 23% to $500.

I just ordered one from B&H.
I've tried one since a friend has it... I was not impressed side-to-side with my 100-500 and decided against it. Yes it is cheaper, smaller and lighter and darker (as in not white externally!) which are all positives... but I know if I had it and used it I would be left wanting more.
Clearly I am not target market for it. But it is fun to read here how a lot of posters seems to know the lenses that everyone "must" have :giggle:
This is not aimed at you personally, I know you don't do that (before you flame me :eek: )
 
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If you don't mind me saying, that's quite a bit of focal length overlap with lenses which won't go faster than f/4... you could get rid of one of the UWA zooms at least. Not criticizing you, just curious about why the overlap and the lack of at least one faster lens?

I've tried one since a friend has it... I was not impressed side-to-side with my 100-500 and decided against it. Yes it is cheaper, smaller and lighter and darker (as in not white externally!) which are all positives... but I know if I had it and used it I would be left wanting more.
Clearly I am not target market for it. But it is fun to read here how a lot of posters seems to know the lenses that everyone "must" have :giggle:
This is not aimed at you personally, I know you don't do that (before you flame me :eek: )
I have both an RF 100-400mm and an RF 100-500mm to go with my R5 and R7, and find they complement each other. I have to say in contrast to those who see the positive aspects of lenses and bodies and their usefulness there are plenty of naysayers who look for the downsides, and it's usually not fun reading their lack of enthusiasm.
 
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I work at a camera store and back in the DSLR days, the Sigma Art 18-35mm 1.8 was a very popular lens for Canon crop sensor/S35 Cinema camera users. I really wish Canon would fill that void with something like an RFS 18-45mm 1.8. It would be a must have for R7/R10/C70 users.
 
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I have both an RF 100-400mm and an RF 100-500mm to go with my R5 and R7, and find they complement each other. I have to say in contrast to those who see the positive aspects of lenses and bodies and their usefulness there are plenty of naysayers who look for the downsides, and it's usually not fun reading their lack of enthusiasm.
That works for you, and it's fine! I, personally, am not a fan of having a lot of overlaps in my lens stable, but that's just me. It's a combination of not having a lot of room to store my gear plus I know I'd rather bring and use the better lens regardless.

Not sure I understand your second comment though. Should we all sing high praises of all lenses regardless of the fact that we may find some of them wanting? I do not comment on lenses I haven't used. And while I have used the 100-400 for very little, it did not impress me.
 
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so why go through a long development process to redesign an already high quality lens?
Sure, that's an approach. Saves R&D and contributes to Canon making a whole of money. I get that.

But why I should an M-user reinvest in the very same lense when the m-mount lense and camera still functions? RF-S is not only intended for "new customers", but for M-customers willing to switch. Usually, when you "switch" and reinvest, you'd want it to be an upgrade. Canon hasn't upgraded any M-lense so far and as far as I informed, some of the zoom have actually become a "downgrade" (is that a word?) by becoming darker.

Canon tries to entice people to upgrade from an EF to an RF lense, e.g.:
EF 100-400mm --> RF 100-500mm
EF 16-35mm F4 --> RF 14-35mm F4
EF 16-35mm F2.8 --> RF 15-35mm F2.8 IS

I have upgraded the 100-400mm and my UWA zoom because the RF mount lense offers me something, the EF version doesn't... I don't see that happening with M-lenses and feel Canon is actually being lazy here.
As an M-user (which I am not) I would feel strongly disappointed in two ways: Canon not communicating that the m-mount is actually dead... and for charging me extra money for the exact lenses for the RF mount. It really is a bad move and hope a lot people opt not to buy it. Least Canon could do is to develop an M-RF-s adapter...
 
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I, personally, am not a fan of having a lot of overlaps in my lens stable, but that's just me. It's a combination of not having a lot of room to store my gear plus I know I'd rather bring and use the better lens regardless.
I completely understand your viewpoint, but I'm in the same boat as Alan - luckily I can afford to have a fair bit of overlap in my lenses, and I do so for good reason.

I have a T/S-E 24mm which I use mainly for landscapes in the UK, and for fungi and lichen photography. The RF 24-105mm L F4 is my walkabout lens, used mainly for landscapes when travelling. That overlaps with my RF 100mm macro, which is used for photographing butterflies, moths, beetles, grasshoppers, damselflies and other insects - it's also a great landscape lens.

It overlaps also with my RF 100-400mm and RF 100-500mm lenses. The former is for handheld work, including butterflies, reptiles, amphibians, small mammals and landscapes. It's a recent acquisition and served me extremely well on a recent trip to West Papua, where it was essential to keep my outfit light and compact. On occasions where weight isn't an issue, such as mammals on safari, or bird photography in the UK, I prefer the RF 100-500mm for its greater sharpness, wider maximum aperture and extra focal length.

Finally, I have the RF 800mm F11, which while it's limited somewhat by its slow maximum aperture and long minimal focus distance, is pretty sharp, light enough to hand-hold easily, and serves as my main bird photography lens when lighting conditions are good enough.

At some stage, I'll probably add an ultra-wide. It won't be the RF 16mm though, as it will be for landscapes and will need to be ultra sharp corner to corner.
 
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    Sure, that's an approach. Saves R&D and contributes to Canon making a whole of money. I get that.

    But why I should an M-user reinvest in the very same lense when the m-mount lense and camera still functions? RF-S is not only intended for "new customers", but for M-customers willing to switch. Usually, when you "switch" and reinvest, you'd want it to be an upgrade. Canon hasn't upgraded any M-lense so far and as far as I informed, some of the zoom have actually become a "downgrade" (is that a word?) by becoming darker.

    Canon tries to entice people to upgrade from an EF to an RF lense, e.g.:
    EF 100-400mm --> RF 100-500mm
    EF 16-35mm F4 --> RF 14-35mm F4
    EF 16-35mm F2.8 --> RF 15-35mm F2.8 IS

    I have upgraded the 100-400mm and my UWA zoom because the RF mount lense offers me something, the EF version doesn't... I don't see that happening with M-lenses and feel Canon is actually being lazy here.
    As an M-user (which I am not) I would feel strongly disappointed in two ways: Canon not communicating that the m-mount is actually dead... and for charging me extra money for the exact lenses for the RF mount. It really is a bad move and hope a lot people opt not to buy it. Least Canon could do is to develop an M-RF-s adapter...
    Agreed. (though I'm not sure a thin 2mm adapter would be a good idea, especially now that Canon is investing somewhere else).
    To my sense, last existing M cameras will probably keep working for years (especially M6 Mark II, if built quality is what it seems to be) and will clearly stay good workhorses for the purpose of having a good "pocket" camera/system.
    On my part, I probably won't upgrade to any R equivalent attempt and simply will keep my 22mm, 11-22mm, 32mm (and Sigma 56mm 1.4 too) as old jewels from a vanished concept/system. All these are a joy to use. :)
    Still, I understand that some may be interested in having a whole RF + RF-S set, giving AF last technologies + a kind of compatibility between last smaller APS-C and bigger FF mirrorless cameras from their favorite brand for the years to come.
    However, if having a "small bag" is the main concern, there also may be other choices in other brands (or just future smartphones techs). We still have the choice.
     
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    Sure, that's an approach. Saves R&D and contributes to Canon making a whole of money. I get that.

    But why I should an M-user reinvest in the very same lense when the m-mount lense and camera still functions? RF-S is not only intended for "new customers", but for M-customers willing to switch. Usually, when you "switch" and reinvest, you'd want it to be an upgrade.[...]
    I a broader sense, for me, RF-S can never be a proper upgrade from the M line, it will always be more unwieldy and huge. The original M (which I still have and use) with the 22mm is what I still hold up as the ideal size and form factor for a system that you can have always with you. For an RF body to get close to that form factor, it will likely have to drop IBIS since that seems to add 5mm of depth and have a square-ish body aspect ratio to fit the RF mount while limiting the width.

    Getting back to the topic, I find it hard to form an opinion on it without knowing which APS-C bodies and RF-S will follow in the next few years. With the 2 current bodies, the R7 and R10, it seems like a hasty, very low effort attempt at filling with crop UWA gap(s) in the line up. It might start making more sense if EVF-less bodies get announced and designed-from-scratch constant f/2.8 UWA zooms.
    But seeing how EF-S didn't get a lot of attention from Canon and EF-M even less (but with gems like the 11-22mm, 22mm and 32mm!) I don't see how of why Canon is going to divert their sole lens design team from filling out the FF RF line to designing RF-S lenses.
    I've always had the impression that the APS-C line at Canon was only there to bring in the money to work on the things they actually find interesting: FF bodies and exotic L lenses. That might change with both the APS-C mirrorfull bodies and EF-M being discontinued, but I think we'll always get disappointed by Canon when it comes to APS-C, especially when they release things like the EF-M 32mm, M6II and R7 just when I'm ready to abandon all hope :)
     
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    Not sure I understand your second comment though. Should we all sing high praises of all lenses regardless of the fact that we may find some of them wanting? I do not comment on lenses I haven't used. And while I have used the 100-400 for very little, it did not impress me.
    My second comment that naysayers are not much fun to read was in response to your comment:
    But it is fun to read here how a lot of posters seems to know the lenses that everyone "must" have :giggle:
     
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    If you don't mind me saying, that's quite a bit of focal length overlap with lenses which won't go faster than f/4... you could get rid of one of the UWA zooms at least. Not criticizing you, just curious about why the overlap and the lack of at least one faster lens?
    Not sure if you mean overlap in a full kit, or overlap in what gets packed for a specific outing/trip.

    For the former, I see no problem with significant overlap. My preference is to have the right tool available for the job. You can pound a fence post in with a little hammer or drive a small picture-hanging nail into your wall with a sledgehammer, but neither is optimal. I currently have 6 RF lenses (counting the one being delivered today by FedEx), 8 EF lenses, 8 EF-M lenses, and four TCs. For FF that focal range spans 11mm to 1200mm (11-24/4, 600/4 + 2xTC), with ample overlap. For ‘fast’ lenses, I have the RF 28-70/2L and EF 85/1.4L IS, and I suppose you could count the RF 70-200/2.8 as well.

    That means when I’m going to shoot something, I can pick the lenses best suited to my subject(s). I feel the same about how those lenses are carried. I have an array of cases/backpacks that can hold a camera with pretty much any lens or set of lenses without empty space (unless by design when I want to also carry non-photo items).

    The only thing I don’t want in my lens kit are lenses that I don’t use.

    In terms of selecting lenses for a particular outing/trip, the same rules apply except with significant trips it’s preferable to have a backup body at least. Previously, I would bring an M body and a few lenses (typically the M11-22, M18-150 and M22/2). I’d use the M set as a convenient daytime walk around kit with family, then take the FF kit out later for solo blue hour / night photography. The EF-M adapter allowed the M body to serve as a backup, although I never actually needed it. Still, that’s a function the M6II cannot serve with my mostly RF kit. It’s why, if the rumored RF-S 11-22 comes out, I’ll consider an R8 or R10 as a second camera for the trip.

    Regarding UWA overlap, as I typed the list of lenses for a planned urban European trip this summer (EF 11-24/4, RF 14-35/4, RF 24-105/4, RF 100-400, and TS-E 17), I actually removed the RF 14-35 then added it back. The reason is the weight difference – the 11-24 is a beast, and for the days I won’t need wider than 14mm I’d prefer to carry the lighter lens and leave the other in the hotel. I would bring both while traveling, but not carry both on any given outing.

    As for lenses being f/4 or slower, I’ve found that not to be a problem for my travels. I use fast lenses (mostly the RF 28-70/2 and RF 70-200/2.8 now) for portraits and for indoor/night-lit events with moving subjects. Most of my travel shooting is outdoors at narrower apertures, and indoor shots are typically more of interiors (cathedrals, etc.), where I don’t need a fast shutter and thus can benefit from IS. The (up-to) 8-stops of stabilization with lenses like the RF 14-35 and 24-105 is a huge benefit for interior shots in locations where a tripod is not practical or not permitted.

    I've tried one since a friend has it... I was not impressed side-to-side with my 100-500 and decided against it. Yes it is cheaper, smaller and lighter and darker (as in not white externally!) which are all positives... but I know if I had it and used it I would be left wanting more.
    Given others’ reports, testing and —more importantly— results with the RF 100-400, I have a reasonable expectation the lens will perform well. Did your friend properly test the lens when new, or did you? I ask because QC is not perfect and bad lenses are shipped. I had to return the first copy of my Rokinon 14/2.8, the second performed as expected. All my Canon lenses have been fine, but for example (I know I’m repeating myself from other threads), when I was reviewing the M18-150 for TDP, my results were much better than what Bryan showed in his ISO 12233-type charts. I told him that, and he ordered and tested a second copy of the lens and it was much better, those are the results now on his site. While such issues are more common with consumer-grade lenses, they happen with L-series lenses, too. Bryan tested four copies of the EF 24-70/2.8L, the first two were sub-par.

    My RF 100-400 arrives today, I’ll properly test it next week, if it’s not up to snuff I’ll exchange it, and if the second copy also fails to perform well I’ll probably just return it and decide whether or not to take the 100-500L on the trip.
     
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    Least Canon could do is to develop an M-RF-s adapter...

    There won't be an adapter from EF-M to RF since the flange focal distance 2mm shorter for the M.

    RF is designed to be an upgrade path for EF/EF-S but not for M customers ... that is probably the reason Canon tries to flesh out the RF-S line before they declare the M system dead officially.

    EF-M is going the way of FD back in the day where the old system was incompatible to the new EF mount and you had to replace everything (or switch to Nikon/Sony/mFT/)
     
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    Why not go all in and make L series APS-C glass for RF and make a real splash, Canon?
    Because most consumer-level buyers don't want to pay for splashy lenses. The ones that will pay for splashy lenses, Canon wants them to pay even more for splashy FF lenses. I highly doubt an APS-C L-series lens will ever happen.

    The APS-C segment is clearly important to Canon, it comprises the majority of their user base, and in fact Canon APS-C owners comprise the majority of camera owners, period. But that means that Canon has oodles of data on what those buyers want, and with all that data what does it tell you that lenses like the EF-S 17-55/2.8 and EF-M 32/1.4 are the exceptions rather than the rule? Even the relatively popular, moderately fast (for its focal length) EF-S 10-22mm was replaced with cheaper, slower, plastic-mount EF-S 10-18mm. Don't hold your breath waiting for high end APS-C lenses, even non-L ones.
     
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    RF is designed to be an upgrade path for EF/EF-S but not for M customers
    If that’s the case, why is canon reusing EF-M lenses and not EF-S lenses such as the EF-S 10-18mm?

    Canon tries to flesh out the RF-S line before they declare the M system dead officially.
    That’s probably the real reason why they are transforming the EFm lenses to RF: the m-Mount will be officially knocked out once rfs is complete.
     
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    If that’s the case, why is canon reusing EF-M lenses and not EF-S lenses such as the EF-S 10-18mm?
    Because the EF-S lenses are designed with a longer flange distance, and to reuse them would require adding an extra 22mm of empty tube at the back of the lens which is a waste of space in a small lens (although that's exactly what they did with the EF 400/2.8 III and 600/4 III when they made the RF versions).

    OTOH, EF-M lenses are designed with a short flange distance so the same design can have the rear element simply protrude 2 mm further into the body and be used as-is.
     
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    I'm glad this is finally going to exist, but it looks like Canon is putting even less effort into APS-C than they normally do, which I didn't think was possible.

    We started with the 18-45mm which had a narrower zoom range and slower aperture than the EF-M equivalent, and now the wide angle zoom doesn't even reach a modest f/4.

    At this rate the prime lenses will be 22mm f/3.5 and 32mm f/2.8... and cost more than the EF-M primes.
    Maybe you are hung up on the RF-s designation. There is already a very nice 16mm f/2.8 and 50mm f/1.8 that are very affordable. The fact that they also work on a FF body is irrelevant to the APS-c discussion. The 24mm f/1.8 IS is a little pricer, but still a nice choice for a crop camera. The 100-400 is also an excellent fit and no bigger or more expensive than it would be if limited to an APS-c frame. Lastly, don't forget the 600 and 800 f/11. They both work stunningly well with the R7 and no other camera system has anything even close in terms of reach to weight ratio. The rumored 16-55 f/2.8 would be a welcome fast zoom, but even now, I don't feel crippled using the R7 and I have all the mentioned lenses other than the 24mm (because I already had the EF 24mm).
     
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