The Canon EOS R6 Mark II should be announced sometime this year

David - Sydney said:

"hint"?? Even the 1DXiii's Advanced User Guide is full of temperature warnings even if it exceeds the stated specifications in practice. All equipment has defined operating temperatures and the 1DXiii is 0-45C. Clearly it operates outside of this range especially <0C. Deserts and direct sunlight can exceed 45C.

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These days parts of Sydney can exceed 45C on a bad day!

bergstrom said:

if there's a hint of overheating in R6ii, then avoid like the plague. Canon will have learned nothing.

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but lets be more specific and even Sony cameras overheat although they have menu options to allow higher temperatures before shutdown.

I can't speak to the R6 but the R5's "overheating" hype was whipped up by the Sony fanboys as a reaction to Canon's technical superiority 2 years ago. It only affected 3 video modes: 8k, 4k120 and 4kHQ. All other video modes and stills shooting was not affected. Since release, firmware updates have removed the timer and using actual internal temperature measurements, improved algorithms, added "light" video modes and added the menu option to allow higher temperatures before shutdown. Sony still cannot record 8k30 raw for any length of time.

To remind the viewers of the evolution of what happened I have borrowed this...

Somewhere in a galaxy not far from here, within 6 months of announcements…
Internet: Canon could never put 8K full frame in to a mirrorless camera. They don't have the technical capabilities to do that. The last time they innovated was when 5d mkii was born.
Canon: Our next 5 series will have 8K and demonstrate what we are capable of.
Internet: (spits coffee on screen) Yeah right. Maybe 8K timelapse mode
Canon: No, 8K video
Internet: Er no, 8K like 15 second movie burst mode then, because you know overheating would happen in such a small body. Do Canon engineers not know anything about physics? That's why refrigerators exist....
Canon: No full 8K video
Internet: Yeah right.... hahaha. It's not possible. So no AF or IBIS then. You won't be able to use the full technologies of the camera/
Canon: No. 8K Full frame, AF and IBIS enabled.
Internet: It's not possible, because you know.... overheating is a thing with technology in such a small package. If it was possible then Sony would have done it.
Canon: Hold our beer.....

Post launch
Internet: I demand a full unconditional apology from Canon. I demand immediately that they give us unlimited 8K full frame video for $4.99 and stop hiding behind this "overheating" scenario to protect their other cameras. I’ve never felt so personally insulted by a camera company as I have by Canon. To me honest behaviour is very important. I recognize that the only person that is perfect is me and people make mistakes. The important thing is to admit that and not to sell us totally unusable technology like this…

David - Sydney said:

but lets be more specific and even Sony cameras overheat although they have menu options to allow higher temperatures before shutdown.

I can't speak to the R6 but the R5's "overheating" hype was whipped up by the Sony fanboys as a reaction to Canon's technical superiority 2 years ago. It only affected 3 video modes: 8k, 4k120 and 4kHQ. All other video modes and stills shooting was not affected. Since release, firmware updates have removed the timer and using actual internal temperature measurements, improved algorithms, added "light" video modes and added the menu option to allow higher temperatures before shutdown.

To remind the viewers of the evolution of what happened I have borrowed this...

Somewhere in a galaxy not far from here, within 6 months of announcements…
Internet: Canon could never put 8K full frame in to a mirrorless camera. They don't have the technical capabilities to do that. The last time they innovated was when 5d mkii was born.
Canon: Our next 5 series will have 8K and demonstrate what we are capable of.
Internet: (spits coffee on screen) Yeah right. Maybe 8K timelapse mode
Canon: No, 8K video
Internet: Er no, 8K like 15 second movie burst mode then, because you know overheating would happen in such a small body. Do Canon engineers not know anything about physics? That's why refrigerators exist....
Canon: No full 8K video
Internet: Yeah right.... hahaha. It's not possible. So no AF or IBIS then. You won't be able to use the full technologies of the camera/
Canon: No. 8K Full frame, AF and IBIS enabled.
Internet: It's not possible, because you know.... overheating is a thing with technology in such a small package. If it was possible then Sony would have done it.
Canon: Hold our beer.....

Post launch
Internet: I demand a full unconditional apology from Canon. I demand immediately that they give us unlimited 8K full frame video for $4.99 and stop hiding behind this "overheating" scenario to protect their other cameras. I’ve never felt so personally insulted by a camera company as I have by Canon. To me honest behaviour is very important. I recognize that the only person that is perfect is me and people make mistakes. The important thing is to admit that and not to sell us totally unusable technology like this…

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Wonderfully well summed up.

Jethro said:

These days parts of Sydney can exceed 45C on a bad day!

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Very true....
Highest temperature in Australia -> Onslow/Western Australia and Oodnadatta/SA hit 50.7C this year.
Highest temperature at Observatory Hill/Sydney hit 45.8C back in 2013.. remember the days of drought vs the constant flooding of today?
Penrith (western Sydney) did hit 48.9C in 2020 and was officially the hottest place on Earth that day! Also hit 47.3C in 2018.

Higher temperatures are rare but definitely getting less rare :-(

For me the key question is: Is the 24 MP sensor a stacked BSI sensor like the R3?

My guess is that it will be a BSI non-stacked sensor due to the lower price point, but pure speculation on my part.

john1970 said:

For me the key question is: Is the 24 MP sensor a stacked BSI sensor like the R3?

My guess is that it will be a BSI non-stacked sensor due to the lower price point, but pure speculation on my part.

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Agreed - and as someone potentially interested (and who would probably not get much practical use from a stacked sensor) I'd rather have the cheaper price point.

My guess is 135mm L will cost $2200usd without IS, $2600usd if with IS and it will have .27x MFD, be weather resistant, and weigh 1kg.

neuroanatomist said:

Is it always raining at the weddings you shoot? The only function of the AD-E1 adapter is to provide a weather-sealed connection between a sealed flash and the multifunction shoe. If you don’t need sealing, just mount the flash directly in the new multifunction shoe and shoot. That’s what I do with my four 600EX-RT flashes and my R3 (one at a time, of course).

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I did not realize the adapter was just for weather sealing. I thought the flash did not fit without it. Well there you go, you taught me something today and put my mind at ease thanks.

Shane said:

I did not realize the adapter was just for weather sealing. I thought the flash did not fit without it. Well there you go, you taught me something today and put my mind at ease thanks.

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When the R3 and AD-E1 were announced, it wasn’t clear. I preordered the adapter along with the R3, just in case. I haven’t used it yet.

I replaced my ST-E3-RT with the ST-E10. I typically use the camera LCD to make adjustments and the smaller, battery-free master is nice. Obviously, it’s sealed without the adapter.

If/when Canon comes out with a new high-end flash that mounts natively in the new shoe, I’ll get one for on-camera use. For remote flashes, the 600’s I have will continue to do the job.

The Sigma 135mm f/1.8 is pretty awesome, so I wonder how Canon might try to top it with their RF offering here. I'm sure it'll be good considering how good the 85mm f/1.2 is, but the competition is strong here for sure.

Fran Decatta said:

I didn't said that it would be a cheap camera. If it costs 3200€ or so, will be fine to me.

As I said, those cameras are tools to make money with it.

But I'll wait to see the final oficial specs and reviews to decide if it worth to make the jump.

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Given how A92 still costs $4500 2 years after its release, I highly doubt even R6 mk II will come below $4000 mark if it uses stacked sensor from R3. Canon can certainly decide to move R6 upmarket while creating space for EOS R replacement at $2500 mark. Lets wait and see, what Canon does with R6 replacement.

neuroanatomist said:

When the R3 and AD-E1 were announced, it wasn’t clear. I preordered the adapter along with the R3, just in case. I haven’t used it yet.

I replaced my ST-E3-RT with the ST-E10. I typically use the camera LCD to make adjustments and the smaller, battery-free master is nice. Obviously, it’s sealed without the adapter.

If/when Canon comes out with a new high-end flash that mounts natively in the new shoe, I’ll get one for on-camera use. For remote flashes, the 600’s I have will continue to do the job.

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I saw reviews of ST-E10 with people complaining of unstable connection compared to older E3-RT, has it been stable for you or its as unstable as people are complaining about?

bergstrom said:

if there's a hint of overheating in R6ii, then avoid like the plague. Canon will have learned nothing.

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If your point is that Canon "rushed" a product release without full functionality or perhaps allowed hype to surpass real world performance at launch then perhaps you are correct.

To say that Canon has learned nothing is ridiculous... the history of R6 firmware improvements contradict this and all the additional features that has been added besides bug fixes.

2020 Firmware 1.1.1 released 3 months after launch
Continuous recording:
Original = Record a 41:00 clip before overheating; ~21min after a 60:00 cooldown
FW1.1.1 = Record a 49:20 clip before overheating; ~39min after a 30:00 cooldown

15:00 clip then 5:00 cooldown, followed by a 10:00 clip then 5:00 cooldown, another 10:00 clip etc
Original = 40:40 minutes, FW1.1.1 = 117 minutes
It also includes ambient temperature so using an icepack means even longer record and better recovery times

2021 FW 1.3.1 adds "Light" IPB codecs for lower bit rate shooting

2022 FW 1.6 also includes a menu option for allowing higher temperatures. The bottom plate acts as a heat sink so tripod mounting helps dissipate heat as well.

Chaitanya said:

I saw reviews of ST-E10 with people complaining of unstable connection compared to older E3-RT, has it been stable for you or its as unstable as people are complaining about?

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I’ve had no issues.

On the 'digital tele-converter' aspect of the rumoured specs, I noticed the below today (from DPR) on the Nikon Z9 firmware upgrade which has just been released - perhaps this could be similar to what is to be featured in the R6 II?:

New to the Z9 with firmware version 3.0 is High-Res Zoom mode when shooting 4K video. This feature starts by capturing oversampled 4K video from the full width of the 8.3K sensor and slowly crops in until it switches over to capturing the 4K APS-C 1.5x crop section of the sensor.

This will effectively provide a 2x digital parfocal zoom without having to ever touch the lens attached to the camera. The footage will be less sharp, since it’s no longer using oversampled video once you’re at the 2x zoom, but our initial tests with it show the transition is fairly seamless.

TonyG said:

I think in today's day and age it doesn't matter which system you are on. Both Canon and Sony have a great offering and are both pretty much neck in neck. I think a lot comes down to user preference and use case. They both have their pros and cons. (The a7siii still has better low light and shadows than the R5 for example)

However, I don't think the A7Rv is meant to compete with the R5. The A7Rv would compete with an R5s (like what the 5Ds was, high resolution). Don't forget the A7Rv has 35% more pixels than the R5.
The closest they have to compete with the R5 is the A1 (But it has a stacked sensor) when comparing megapixels and speed, but it comes with a hefty price tag which is why the R5 is so much more appealing. This is where I get excited because the R1 and A1ii will push both brands to dominate and will push newer and faster technologies into the smaller bodies.

If the R6ii has a stacked sensor, I think that will be the nail in the coffin to hurt Sony. Then they would have to start using stacked sensors to compete.
The Autofocus and the Stacked Sensor would also be a huge motivation to have dslr users upgrade to mirrorless. Canon makes money on sales.
Plus, the R6ii would be more expensive with a stacked sensor and would leave a gap at the lower price point for where the Rii would be able to come in.
Let's say:
From: R $1800 R6 $2500 R5 $3900 R3 $6000
To: Rii (R8?) $2200 R6ii $3000 R5ii $4000

This would be my guess.

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The A7RV is the same price as a new R5. It is going to get compared and after Tony and Chelsea’s review, it’s just astonishing how much hate Canon gets when Sony is using language like “AI auto focus” which just means “almost as good as Canon’s”.

I agree that both systems are great and it’s preference. My statement were more in reference to this sudden shift where everyone drools, content creators especially, over Sony. All of these “comparison” videos when there are so many excuses made for Sony shortcomings and any hiccup or locked feature, and Canon is evil. I get it, Canon was on top and we see the same thing with Intel vs AMD despite Intel absolutely obliterating AMD again.

It’s a thing people do when something comes out that is objectively a better value at some point as Sony did with the A7SIII. They latch on to the brand and the communities get so vitriolic that literally, any video favoring Canon gets scorched.

Now that they are, indeed, neck and neck and Sony is no longer pricing their new cameras to beat competitors—there’s no reason to keep flaming Canon like we’re seeing. Especially when Canon releases way more firmware updates, without the overheating the R5 was a better hybrid camera as it did better stills and still does, and Sony’s A1 flagship is neck and neck with what? An R3 that isn’t Canon’s flagship? Their A7V that is an R5 from two years ago?

There’s people making amazing shorts with cell phone cameras. Cameras are just a tool. It just frustrates me to see people fanboy over brands instead of celebrating competition.

As for the rest, I COMPLETELY agree. I said it myself that if the R6II is basically a mini R3, it’s a wrap. And, after the most recent leaked info, it looks like we might just be getting that stacked sensor. If canon REALLY wanted to put the nail in the coffin, they’d unlock RF mount. But, they won’t despite not getting an official answer.

antonio_s said:

The Sigma 135mm f/1.8 is pretty awesome, so I wonder how Canon might try to top it with their RF offering here. I'm sure it'll be good considering how good the 85mm f/1.2 is, but the competition is strong here for sure.

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This lens is a bit older now, there's actually a Samyang AF 135mm f/1.8 for Sony FE which would be even nicer. Although I'm sure Canon would be more trying to compete with the 135GM.

If it has that BSI stacked sensor from the R3, I am likely to buy it. I would like to see a full size HDMI and no limit on video (along with no heating issues)
Will it be $2499 or $2999?

HikeBike said:

I wonder if the Mark II will ditch the micro HDMI port...

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They are going to use the all new and even smaller nano-HDMI

Uneternal said:

I don't know what's Canons endgame here. Are they trying to saturate the market with a 20MP, a 24MP, 45MP and next year a 30MP EOS R camera?
Meanwhile Sony brings a brand new 60MP flagship that costs exactly the same (actually one dollar less, probably a wink from Sony) than a 2 year old R5.

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I think they found a way to stretch out that old APS-C 24Mpix sensor to full-frame somehow

TonyG said:

It's kind of funny because right now there is some crazy sales on RF lenses in Canada.
$300 off the 50 f1.2, $450 off the 100 f2.8, $400 off the 70-200 f4. Just to name a few.
I wonder if they are trying to clear out stock before the prices increase? Weird to see these discounts.

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It is a poor take.
Canon is adjusting the prices in Japan.
Some are increasing, but most are decreasing.
One article lists them as increasing and then every other article refers to that one.

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Meanwhile Sony brings a brand new 60MP flagship

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The a7R IV was already 61 MP.
The a7R V is much improved though.

I am disappointed by the lack of new R5 S rumors.