The Canon EOS R8 will be announced at CP+ in February

I don’t really see much point to all
these RF crop sensor cameras with the same 24 mm sensor. There is an R7 (32MP) and R10. So it seems logical that an R8 would at least add IBIS and better spec than an R10. I guess we’ll see shortly. I was hoping to see an upgrade to the R or RP.

Stig Nygaard said:

Personally I don't care if R8 is an APS-C or fullframe camera. I don't expect R8 to be a camera I want no matter what.

But I just wonder if being an APS-C camera is part of the rumour, or if it is just guessing from CR? Reading post, it sounds like that part is just speculations/guessing?

I could easily imagine an R8 being a fullframe camera and closest thing to a "replacement" for the EOS R. And in that case probably with 30+ megapixels.

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That would depend on whether CR is guessing that it will be called the "R8" or whether that name has been confirmed. If indeed it is called "R8" then it will sit between two currently existing APS-C cameras, i.e. R7 and R10, so it's extremely unlikely that it would be anything other than another APS-C model. What Canon is most lacking in its current range is a cheap vlogging camera, IMO that is what an "R8" would be.

entoman said:

What Canon is most lacking in its current range is a cheap vlogging camera, IMO that is what an "R8" would be.

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If it sits between the R10 and R7 in price, I’d expect feature benefits like IBIS.

The R10 is reportedly pretty good for video, but the crop for 4K60 along with the extra crop needed for electronic stabilization exposes another thing lacking from the lineup – a small, light UWA zoom for RF-S. I hope that means we see the M11-22 re-housed in an RF-S barrel announced alongside the R8.

neuroanatomist said:

If it sits between the R10 and R7 in price, I’d expect feature benefits like IBIS.

The R10 is reportedly pretty good for video, but the crop for 4K60 along with the extra crop needed for electronic stabilization exposes another thing lacking from the lineup – a small, light UWA zoom for RF-S. I hope that means we see the M11-22 re-housed in an RF-S barrel announced alongside the R8.

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IBIS would be nice, but if it is an "R8" and is a vlogging camera, I'm not sure that Canon would consider IBIS to be essential, and they might omit it to keep the price competitive.

miric said:

This looks like the case "BSI for BSI". Very similar to X-Trans in "Fjudzii" cameras. They say it's cool but cannot argue why. Drawbacks only. I used to think BSI was cool but then it appeared I was confused with BSI and stacked sensor technology. So I treat BSI as a BS feature until I'll see real significant advantages. @Chaitanya where are you?

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It has advantages on very small (phone size) sensors.

Wow, almost 2023 and people still are confusing IQ with DR and noise....

entoman said:

IBIS would be nice, but if it is an "R8" and is a vlogging camera, I'm not sure that Canon would consider IBIS to be essential, and they might omit it to keep the price competitive.

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Thus my statement, “IF it sits between the R10 and R7 in price, I’d expect feature benefits like IBIS.” The Nikon Z30 and Sony ZV-E10 are both cheaper than the R10. But if it is going to be cheaper than the R10, I’d expect it to be named the R50 or R100.

fabiorossi said:

Wow, almost 2023 and people still are confusing IQ with DR and noise....

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Some people are perpetually confused, about a great many things.

Phil995511 said:

The fact that Canon is abandoning customers with EF-format cameras in favor of RF-format and ceasing to offer new EF lenses and bodies makes me regret trusting them and buying an EOS 5D Mark III.

I don't like the RF series LCD viewfinders which are bad for the eyes. I will not change either my equipment which cost me a fortune to adopt the range without RF mirror. I will abandon Canon, as they sadly abandoned me. And for this reason I will certainly never buy the Canon brand, which from my point of view abused the trust I had in them ;-(

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I’m still pissed they went all in on digital and stopped supporting legacy cameras. When was the last time we got a firmware update for the T90?

If the R8 is a vlogging camera, then Canon had better introduce some vlogging lenses: 15 f/2, 22 f/2 and 11-22 zoom. Which makes me wonder why Canon didn't make an M camera the best vlogging camera in existence. It could be slightly smaller than a comparable R mount camera.

fabiorossi said:

Wow, almost 2023 and people still are confusing IQ with DR and noise....

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You'll have to clarify that. Dynamic range and noise are major elements of image quality, as are colour gamut, sharpness, freedom from artefacts and aberrations etc. IQ can't be measured, as it is affected also by personal preferences regarding bokeh, colour purity and numerous other factors.

Phil995511 said:

The fact that Canon is abandoning customers with EF-format cameras in favor of RF-format and ceasing to offer new EF lenses and bodies makes me regret trusting them and buying an EOS 5D Mark III.

I don't like the RF series LCD viewfinders which are bad for the eyes. I will not change either my equipment which cost me a fortune to adopt the range without RF mirror. I will abandon Canon, as they sadly abandoned me. And for this reason I will certainly never buy the Canon brand, which from my point of view abused the trust I had in them ;-(

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It is fruitful to update with advancements in technology. How else will we get better cameras/lenses/laptops/phones etc?

entoman said:

Hi Alan, yes I'm sure that the RF2x on the RF100-500mm would provide even sharper shots and a bit more macro, but the primary reason why I bought the RF100-400mm in the first place (aside from your recommendation) was to keep the size and weight minimal. Travelling in West Papua involved a lot of domestic flights on small aircraft with limited luggage allowances. Even more importantly, it's pretty tiring for a 72 year old to hike for hours at a time through sweltering humid rainforest even with an RF100-400mm attached, and carrying my relatively heavy RF100-500mm would have been quite challenging. This is a Hypochrysops species, photographed at Fak Fak, 400mm, 1/180, F11, ISO 1000.

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Wow photo!!!!

So. There IS a market for APSC.

neuroanatomist said:

What brand will you buy, then? Maybe you’ve missed that the industry has mostly switched to mirrorless.

The bigger question is what are you doing here on the internet? It’s a modern sort of place. Why don’t you grab some foolscap and a fountain pen and write a letter to a friend? Or just relax and watch some TV…be sure to adjust the rabbit ears when you get up to change the channel.

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Yes, the internet is great. It makes people like you hide behind a screen and perpetually post rude comments. And this comment coming from YOU is funny as you were so against mirrorless until Canon launched mirrorless cameras. I realize that my comment here is rude but you deserve it.

Well if it's an RF-S vlogging camera I hope to see an RF-S vlogging lens.

Phil995511 said:

The fact that Canon is abandoning customers with EF-format cameras in favor of RF-format and ceasing to offer new EF lenses and bodies makes me regret trusting them and buying an EOS 5D Mark III.

I don't like the RF series LCD viewfinders which are bad for the eyes. I will not change either my equipment which cost me a fortune to adopt the range without RF mirror. I will abandon Canon, as they sadly abandoned me. And for this reason I will certainly never buy the Canon brand, which from my point of view abused the trust I had in them ;-(

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This is not rational. The 5D Mk III was released a decade ago. You purchased an item which met your requirements, and will continue to do so in the same manner it has since you purchased it. You are still able to purchase just about every EF lens ever made on the secondary market.

The EF mount was announced in 1987. 1987!!! That means Canon employed this lens mount for 30+ years before releasing the RF mount. This was not some short-lived tech which was changed solely for the sake of change or as a money-grab. Continuing to utilize the EF mount would have impeded Canon's ability to compete in the marketplace.

You can switch to another manufacturer, such as Sony or Nikon, but do so understanding that they also have changed their lens mounts in the past, and will do so again at some point in the future.

Rather than having R10 internals, I tend to think the R8 will be a stripped down R7, without weather sealing, dual card slot and EVF. I think it will have IBIS, though, and the R7 sensor.

mpb001 said:

I don’t really see much point to all
these RF crop sensor cameras with the same 24 mm sensor. There is an R7 (32MP) and R10. So it seems logical that an R8 would at least add IBIS and better spec than an R10. I guess we’ll see shortly. I was hoping to see an upgrade to the R or RP.

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Canon can do a lot to differentiate models having the same sensor. Recall that the 7D, 60D, and 550D/Rebel T2i all had the same 18 MP sensor.

Maybe this will be the long-rumored R body with M form factor? A lot of M fans have been hoping.

sanj said:

So. There IS a market for APSC.
Yes, the internet is great. It makes people like you hide behind a screen and perpetually post rude comments. And this comment coming from YOU is funny as you were so against mirrorless until Canon launched mirrorless cameras. I realize that my comment here is rude but you deserve it.

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When have I stated or implied that there is no market for APS-C cameras, or APS-C mirrorless cameras? I don't see why I would, I am well aware that APS-C cameras far outsell FF cameras and have all along. If you are referring to my incorrect belief that there would not be an APS-C EOS R, the reason for that certainly wasn't a lack of market for it, but rather that Canon was very successful in that segment with the EOS M line. You can be rude if you prefer, it's not atypical for you and certainly doesn't bother me. But please try to get your facts straight, or what you think may be righteous rudeness just comes off as asinine and petulant.

Yes, I was skeptical about mirrorless 10-12 years ago. MILCs have changed a lot since then. In those days, the AF capabilities of DSLRs were demonstrably better than those of MILCs, and EVFs were low resolution and slow to refresh. Those deficits made MILCs far less suitable than DSLRs for shooting fast-moving subjects, which were and are much of what I shoot. Only in the last few years have MILCs progressed sufficiently in those areas to surpass DSLRs. Actually, whether today's best EVFs surpass OVFs is debatable; IMO they do not from an optical perspective, but the additional capabilities (particularly the R3's exposure + DoF simulation mode) outweigh the reduced optical representation.

Times change, I try to change with them. That's why I bought an EOS M nearly a decade ago. Then an M2, then an M6, then an R, then an R3, then an M6II.

Have a happy new year!

miric said:

Could you demonstrate samples that reveal a profit and a significant difference in terms of IQ from a BSI sensor compared to a FSI one?

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EOS 4 Life said:

BSI performs better on the meaningless checklist test.

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My understanding is that BSI sensors can have faster readout speeds, resulting in less rolling shutter with ES.