The Canon EOS R1 may not come until the 2nd half of 2023 [CR2]

My switch to mirrorless hangs on the RP2. Fix everything that everyone complaned about. A mini R3 if you will.

It's frustrating that they keep releasing these items before there is enough of them built to get them into folks' hands. I think they're aware of this and don't want to piss off the people that buy these things in bulk, hence the R1 delay. In the meantime, speculate on specs for this thing?

I'm calling triple card slots.

Supply chain crises or not, it shouldn’t come as much of a surprise. If Canon let R1 continue the usual release rhythm of 1DX series, the flagship shouldn't be expected until late 2023 or early 2024.

Makes me even more glad that I ordered the R3 as early as possible, rather than holding out for an R1. When it comes along, I'll likely pick one up but by then my R3 will seen >2 years of use.

No big surprise. Was anyone seriously expecting it to be launched this year? If anything, the delay should prove beneficial, as Canon will have more time to study the opposition, and add features that they might otherwise have omitted. It's probably too late to make any major hardware changes (e.g. eliminating mechanical shutter), but plenty of time to perfect the firmware, minimising any bugs (although a lot of bugs only become apparent when a few thousand users have had the chance to put thousands of frames through a camera). Meanwhile anyone with an R3, R5 or R6 will already be pretty happy.

bergstrom said:

My switch to mirrorless hangs on the RP2. Fix everything that everyone complaned about. A mini R3 if you will.

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Very mini indeed - at that price point.


I still hope for an R1 dev announcement end of this year, with release/shipping in 2nd half 2023.

Wonder when the R5mkII will hit the streets? Could be around that same time. Or they may push it to 2024.

Brian

bbasiaga said:

Very mini indeed - at that price point.


I still hope for an R1 dev announcement end of this year, with release/shipping in 2nd half 2023.

Wonder when the R5mkII will hit the streets? Could be around that same time. Or they may push it to 2024.

Brian

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I'd take an R6ii under 2k if they fixed all the problems and restraints it had.

More lenses would be appreciated, especially on the telephoto end. A modern 500/4, 300/2.8 or maybe a 150-400/4 TC. Nikon seems to be the only one committed to telephotos at the moment, Canon too busy gluing teleconverters and mount adapters on EF lenses

bergstrom said:

I'd take an R6ii under 2k if they fixed all the problems and restraints it had.

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Like me ol’ Irish Da used to say, “Wish in one hand and sh!t in the other, and see which fills up first.”

What you call ‘restrictions’, Canon calls market segmentation. It means that if you want R3 features, you need to pay for an R3.

But good luck with your wishing…

bergstrom said:

I'd take an R6ii under 2k if they fixed all the problems and restraints it had.

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Who wouldn't? While we're at it, I'll take an R3vII for $3k as well!

On another note - I've always lusted after the 1 series cameras. With the R6 performance being what it is, I can't imagine what more a one series could really give me that would make it worth 2-3x the cost. Though I may do one as a mid-life crisis gift to myself anyway . The only two 'limits' I see on the R6 that I might find benefit from removing are 1) stacked sensor and 2) larger battery. A few more MP would be OK, but I could get that from an R5. In fact, if R5vII has a stacked sensor and remains below about 50mp that may be a 'last/forever' camera for me. A battery grip could solve the battery issue. I suspect QPAF could be in the next gen as well, and while DPAF has never really let me down I'm sure there will be an improvement with QPAF. I wouldn't upgrade for just that.

-Brian

bbasiaga said:

Wonder when the R5mkII will hit the streets? Could be around that same time. Or they may push it to 2024.

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2024 at the earliest is my guess.

The R5 has plenty of life left in it and is still one of the best cameras on the market (OK, I'm biased as I've got one)..

Budget "R100" will probably be next, followed by the hi-res R5S, then the R1.

neuroanatomist said:

Makes me even more glad that I ordered the R3 as early as possible, rather than holding out for an R1. When it comes along, I'll likely pick one up but by then my R3 will seen >2 years of use.

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Hey Neuro, just curious, what kind of stuff do you shoot? You’re a well respected member of the CR community and you have some awesome gear, so yeah, what do you like to photograph!?

bbasiaga said:

In fact, if R5vII has a stacked sensor and remains below about 50mp that may be a 'last/forever' camera for me. A battery grip could solve the battery issue. I suspect QPAF could be in the next gen as well, and while DPAF has never really let me down I'm sure there will be an improvement with QPAF. I wouldn't upgrade for just that.

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I'm not easily satisfied, but as a stills-only photographer, I don't see any real need for a R5Mkii for a while.

But what I would like to see, in order to keep the camera current and improve usability, are a few firmware "feature" upgrades e.g:

eye-AF and tracking using smaller zones as a start point
low/medium/high fps options with electronic shutter
exposure bracketing with electronic shutter
button assignment to toggle between single-shot and burst

I believe that all or most of the above could easily be implemented in firmware upgrades, without affecting sales of R3 or R7, which are differentiated by many other features.

I'll just keep using my R6 because it's AWESOME (for me, not you...I know)

neuroanatomist said:

Like me ol’ Irish Da used to say, “Wish in one hand and sh!t in the other, and see which fills up first.”

What you call ‘restrictions’, Canon calls market segmentation. It means that if you want R3 features, you need to pay for an R3.

But good luck with your wishing…

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You’ll understand if I prefer to bump elbows than shake hands if we meet.

neuroanatomist said:

Makes me even more glad that I ordered the R3 as early as possible, rather than holding out for an R1. When it comes along, I'll likely pick one up but by then my R3 will seen >2 years of use.

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Excellent point. I to have a R3 and will be glad to part with it after two years to "upgrade" to a R1. I suspect the R1 will be announced in the fall of 2023 with availability late 2023 / early 2024.

I know that Canon is listening to user feedback on the R3 for the final development of the R1. It makes sense to me that acquiring the feedback will take several months especially with the supply chain issues. I would rather have Canon delay the R1 by a few months and get the camera right than rush it to market just because buyers are becoming impatient.

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I know that Canon is listening to user feedback on the R3 for the final development of the R1. It makes sense to me that acquiring the feedback will take several months especially with the supply chain issues. I would rather have Canon delay the R1 by a few months and get the camera right than rush it to market just because buyers are becoming impatient.

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Given the R1 will be aimed at pros, and at getting them to make the jump to mirrorless, I'd expect there will be early versions of the R1 out with selected testers well in advance even of a development announcement. That is, probably already if they are aiming for release in 12-18 months time.

It's not a body I could ever justify buying, but my interest will be the feature set (including advances on the R3) because those are features that will likely (over time) filter down in some form into models aimed at the likes of me.

I thought Sigma was supposed to be 'addressing' the RF mount this year? Been waiting for 3rd party lenses from Sigma and Tamron for a rather long time now, particularly the 12-24 and 100-400. Looks like the wait continues.