Canon officially announces the Canon EOS R6 Mark II, Canon RF 135mm f/1.8L IS USM and Canon Speedlite EL-5

koenkooi · Nov 2, 2022

Rivermist said:
This is the camera that will take folks like me, still squeezing the last drops out of the RP, to an IBIS camera that is a fitting upgrade at an (almost) affordable price. I can understand current R6 owners discussing whether the upgrade is worth it, but from an RP this is a compelling story. [...]

The R6II fixes a large number of annoyances I have been running into with my R5. The lack of a CFe cardslot and the lack of a control dial on top are the things keeping me from exchanging my R5 for an R6II. I hadn't expected to plan for replacing my R5 so soon, but I'm excited to see what Canon does for its successor 2 years from now!

Things like the 5 second pre-record in movie mode, UVC support so it will "just work" as a webcam, tethered control using your phone, the R3/R7 AF improvements, focus breathing correction make it a less frustrating camera. The annoying thing is that those are pretty much all software features, so Canon could add them to the R5 if they wanted to....

HMC11 · Nov 2, 2022

Johnw said:
Although I'm sure the base IQ will be better than the EF, the one downside I would note with the RF 135 is that it appears that it is not compatible with teleconverters given that there is no mention of this in the description, whereas the EF version does support them.

Genuine curiosity - what is the use case for using a teleconverter on the RF 135mm? Wouldn't the RF 70-200L F2.8 make more sense compared to the RF 135 (which becomes the equivalent of 189mm F2.5 for the 1.4x) or the RF100-500 (270mm F3.6 for the 2.0x) in terms of versatility, total cost and final IQ (I am assuming that the usual loss of IQ happens with teleconverters)?

koenkooi · Nov 2, 2022

On1fan said:
Well... after watching several videos, I'm torn again. Definitely dissapointed about the sensor... but oh well.

Was looking hard at the A7IV over the original R6, but now I'm not so sure.

A7IV: Better dynamic range (Still?), Dual-ish ISO
R6II: No 4k60 Crop, 12/40 Stills

I think the clincher for me will be whether the wide angle wobble in the Cannon is gone or not, and how it compares to the A7IV in low light.
Given that the new sensor is faster, I think Canon has the advantage, but I will wait for comparisons (which will be inevitable over the coming weeks)

You can see the wobble in the DPreviewTV review and I think they also mention it still being there.

Johnw · Nov 2, 2022

HMC11 said:
or the RF100-500 (270mm F3.6 for the 2.0x) in terms of versatility, total cost and final IQ (I am assuming that the usual loss of IQ happens with teleconverters)?

Certainly the 100-500L would be better in terms of versatility. I still like to get lenses that support TCs when I can simply because it's cheaper to extend a lens then buy another lens. If I could get a 270 f/3.5 with the 135 for example, that would be a lot cheaper than the RF 300 f/2.8 for example, though yes the IQ would be worse as a tradeoff for that $ savings.

SHAMwow · Nov 2, 2022

Skyscraperfan said:
The past view years might have seen a lot of progress for photographers who want to shoot fast moving subjects and need a lot of frames and a goof autofocus, but for people who just take photos of skyscrapers, those new cameras sadly do not bring a lot of advantage besides IBIS. For the photos I take, cameras already seem to have peaked many years ago. Only better low might performance brings a visible advantage for me, but not much has happened at that front. That may be disappointing, but on the other hand it also is good for me. My very old camera still is competitive when it comes to taking photos of skyscrapers. Someone with an R3 will not have any benefit compared to me. In the past it was always very annoying for me when photography advanced so much within a few years that most of my past photos did no longer meet the current technical standards, but that is no longer the case. As long as I use good glass, I might be able to use my "vintage" camera for another ten years.

I think that's just a sign of the times though. Almost any modern camera can take equally good landscape photos, including your phone. Camera bodies need to target and leverage what the phones can't do well, which is what has really happened. That's not to say that landscapes off my R5 aren't better than my iPhone, but yeah.

neuroanatomist · Nov 2, 2022

Johnw said:
Certainly the 100-500L would be better in terms of versatility. I still like to get lenses that support TCs when I can simply because it's cheaper to extend a lens then buy another lens. If I could get a 270 f/3.5 with the 135 for example, that would be a lot cheaper than the RF 300 f/2.8 for example, though yes the IQ would be worse as a tradeoff for that $ savings.

There's a convenience factor, too. Sometimes I mainly need one set of focal lengths but might need something longer on a particular outing. Bring a 70-200/2.8 and a 2x TC is more convenient that bringing a 70-200/2.8 and a 100-400/500. But with my RF 70-200/2.8, the TC isn't an option. Still, with RF lenses I can fit the 24-105/4L, 70-200/2.8L and 100-500L (along with the R3) in my Lowepro Fastpack 300, but only because of the smaller size of the RF 70-200 (to take the EF 70-200/2.8 II and 100-400L, I needed to bring the larger Fastpack 400.

On1fan · Nov 2, 2022

koenkooi said:
You can see the wobble in the DPreviewTV review and I think they also mention it still being there.

Yeah... just watched it.

That's too bad.

skrubol · Nov 2, 2022

neuroanatomist said:
Same flash power as a 600EX and same master capabilities, so IMO a good replacement for those with a compatible camera.

I was hoping for an EL-1 MkII with a native multifunction shoe mount. Still, the EL-5 has the same guide number, zoom range, and max power as the EL-1

I think the max guide number in meters might be a misprint. The max GN in feet is 169.9, which translates to about 52m.

Same master capabilities for radio. If you're like me, with a few old optical only flashes though, makes an upgrade a little tougher.
I did have a shoot (in the family, I'm not a pro,) recently where I was using high speed fill flash and cycle time on my old 580ex was really a limitation. Missed several shots because of it, and the EL-1 is out of my budget, so this one is looking interesting..

rpiotr01 · Nov 2, 2022

On1fan said:
Well... after watching several videos, I'm torn again. Definitely dissapointed about the sensor... but oh well.

Was looking hard at the A7IV over the original R6, but now I'm not so sure.

A7IV: Better dynamic range (Still?), Dual-ish ISO
R6II: No 4k60 Crop, 12/40 Stills

I think the clincher for me will be whether the wide angle wobble in the Cannon is gone or not, and how it compares to the A7IV in low light.
Given that the new sensor is faster, I think Canon has the advantage, but I will wait for comparisons (which will be inevitable over the coming weeks)

What's Wide Angle wobble, if you wouldn't mind sharing? thanks.

tomislavmoze · Nov 2, 2022

kafala said:
I currently have the A7iv. I would get the R6 II because it pretty much has everything I want. However, I'm not a fan of canon's rf 1.8 lenses with their garbage stm motor for video work. If I want to use a gimbal, I have to use their big bazooka zooms. Their 1.2 Primes are terrible for video because of the focus breathing and Focus breathing compensation only works on the zooms. Plus Sony gm lenses are cheaper since I qualify for the edu discount. I can also get Sigma and Tamron lenses for cheap without sacrificing much quality. Might just wait until the R5ii and the 35mm 1.4 L or 35mm 1.2 lens comes out since that's what I'm waiting for.

I think Peter McKinnon mention in his video that the focus breathing compensation currently works only with 135/1.8 on a preproduction unit and will work with all of the RF lenses with the next firmware update.

On1fan · Nov 2, 2022

rpiotr01 said:
What's Wide Angle wobble, if you wouldn't mind sharing? thanks.

In video, with a wide angle lens... whether vloging or following somone up close... with IBIS turned on... the background wobbles around, but it's differnt than camera shake (with IBIS Off).

Pretty much the only solution is IBIS off with a gimbal, but that is a bulky solution.
The Sony's don't seem to have the wobble issue from what I can tell.

AlanF · Nov 2, 2022

Cyborx said:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1733214-REG/canon_eos_r6_mark_ii.html

BH Charges 2499 TAX INCLUDED!
Dollar/Euro rate is 1:1
So again? WTF?

Again, it's been posted many times that B&H pay the tax as a customer discount, and I think it might be tied to using their Payboo card.

Edit: @neuroanatomist beat me to answering and confirmed the Payboo.

Johnw · Nov 2, 2022

AlanF said:
Again, it's been posted many times that B&H pay the tax as a customer discount, and I think it might be tied to using their Payboo card.

It is, if I put the R6 II into my cart at B&H, my sales tax is $222 additional over the $2500 base price since I do not have their card.

Wowmail · Nov 2, 2022

I'm in California. Payboo saved me 9%. I pay it off when item ships .. and its like a freaking discount.
If I was In a lower tax state, Id simply use one of my money back cards.

YMMV

Hope that helps.

pzyber · Nov 2, 2022

And the prices here in Sweden are ridiculous yet another time...

US prices (excl VAT):
Canon RF 135mm f/1.8 L IS USM $2 099
Sony FE 135mm f/1.8 GM $2 098

Swedish prices (incl VAT):
Canon RF 135/1,8 L IS USM 32 290 SEK
Sony FE 135/1,8 GM 20 990 SEK

AlanF · Nov 2, 2022

BurningPlatform said:
Maybe Canon did the prices for UK while Truss was still PM.

That was, most fortunately, too short a time for much to happen. The price gouging in the UK has been going on since Brexit. Now, if more people in the UK shot Canon then perhaps we would renegotiate.

danfaz · Nov 2, 2022

rpiotr01 said:
So how are people feeling? Are we happy or upset?

I'm happy about the 135!

Wowmail · Nov 2, 2022

pzyber said:
And the prices here in Sweden are ridiculous yet another time...

US prices (excl VAT):
Canon RF 135mm f/1.8 L IS USM $2 099
Sony FE 135mm f/1.8 GM $2 098

Swedish prices (incl VAT):
Canon RF 135/1,8 L IS USM 32 290 SEK
Sony FE 135/1,8 GM 20 990 SEK

Wow I hear you, maybe it's cheaper to fly to New York. Do they hit you for VAT when you re-enter the Country?

Wowmail · Nov 2, 2022

rpiotr01 said:
So how are people feeling? Are we happy or upset?

Delighted!

pzyber · Nov 2, 2022

Wowmail said:
Wow I hear you, maybe it's cheaper to fly to New York. Do they hit you for VAT when you re-enter the Country?

Almost, at least it would be a nice trip

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