And are they regular users or novice photographers? Try to start taking pictures of models with a mobile phone or a camera in your twenties and you will know that the camera has a purpose.
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There are two more APS-C RF mount cameras coming [CR2]
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Not really, as there are practically no photographic camera manufactures that make the same camera with a free choice of mounts.
Who should be responsible for electronic compatibility (in particular, fast autofocus and hybrid IS) of such a setup?
Thank you very much, but I'd prefer my lenses to be optimized for my already existing R5.
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I know, you know. Some don't care a s***, really.And are they regular users or novice photographers? Try to start taking pictures of models with a mobile phone or a camera in your twenties and you will know that the camera has a purpose.
I remember an article about a great newspaper a few years ago giving each of their reporters a cell and firing all their photo journalists.
Saying they can make photos during their researches.
O'r iIt's like the kids listening to music through their cell speakers (not headsets). Do you think, they care about MPEG vs. CD sound vs. HighRes?
Do you think, this might affect CD player or HighRes streamer sales in - say - ten years?
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People who would have never touched a camera now use their smartphones to take photos.
If Canon can get even a fraction of those folks to upgrade to a Canon camera then that would be a gold mine.
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That is pretty much what Sigma did.
Their cameras are pretty much a joke now though.
They also share a mount now.
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I don’t think so. With FF coming down in price, the need for an APS-C body to carry for an “emergency” isn’t required. Also, FF has come down in size as well. The excuse that you get longer reach with APS-C gas never made sense to me anyway. Just crop your image. Yes, the apsc tele’s are smaller, but when has a company made serious long APS-C tele glass since FF has come out? Would thy really sell enough $5,000 to $12,000 APS-C lenses? I don’t think so. What about extreme wides and zooms? I doubt it.
these companies have experimented over the decades, and it seems that the large majority of customers have said - FF. Maybe, if the cameras market hadn’t been imploding since 2012, or so, there would have been a big enough market for this. But not now. The R7 is a pretty good camera, but would Canon come out with an R5 equivalent, or an R3 equivalent? I highly doubt it. Who would buy a $3,500 to $5,500 APS-C body and equally expensive lenses? Probably not that many.
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The problem is that they are not only enforcing those patents against their competitors, but also against their customers. It's not that a competitor copied their cameras. The competitors just want to attach their lenses to Canon cameras. The competitors did not choose the RF mount. They just do not have any other option than to use the RF mount, if they want to attach their lenses to Canon cameras. That's why it is so problematic, if Canon uses patents to prevent that.
It reminds me of car radios. Some people want a third party car radio. Imagine the car manufacturer had a special connector that you have to use in order to mount the car radio into your car. And then the manufacturer uses that patent for that connector to prevent third party manufacturers to sell a radio that fits into your car. Usually behaviour like that is sanctioned by competition authorities.
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That’s sort of a twisted view of history. I wonder if you have any sources other than some YouTube character for these “huge licensing fees”. As for apple, the amount they get from licensing their connector is completely trivial, just a few million a year for a company that sold over $450 billion in its last calendar year, with somewhere around $125 billion on profit. In cases like connectors, companies like to have spec and quality control over them. So you know any company with Apple’s approval is making the to Apple’s specs. This goes for every connector. And Apple doesn’t charge 10% of a products price if it has their connector. I don’t know where you got that from.
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It might not make sense to you to use an APS-C but it does to enough others for Canon to judge it a worthwhile market. Also, you don't make special telephoto lenses of 400mm or greater for an APS-C because the lenses for FF and APS-C are basically the same for those lengths as it's the front optics that determine the focal length and aperture, and they have a natural image circle that is larger than for even FF.
As someone who has both a R5 and R7, I can tell you the £2000 combination of an R7 and RF 100-400mm weighing just over 1 kg has very close IQ and reach to a £7000 combo of an R5 and RF 100-500mm coming in at over 2 kg. And you certainly do get more reach using an APS-C with a pixel-dense sensor than cropping. Cropping doesn't increase reach, it just narrows the field of view. If I'm doing BIF, I grab my R5 and RF 100-500mm (or even my RF 100-400mm). If I want the most reach, I grab my R7 and the RF 800mm. I'm beginning to see the R7+RF 100-400mm on my birding trips, and I'll lay odds that it will become the standard gear for enthusiasts.
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People who would have never touched a camera used to take a P&S in the early 2000s and made that gigantic hype of digital camera sales in that time.
This puts several camera companies into the trouble they are in today, because they missed the signs, as Nokia did in cell phones.
Again, as I stated before in my first post in this thread:
I really hope that there is a market. I really hope, Canon can get more than a fraction of those folks to get a basis for the future.
Otherwise, it will become much more expensive for us enthusiasts/prosumers than the R system already seems to be.
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This is going to be interesting to say the LEAST.
Its a great opportunity to introduce a truly new form factor (for canon). That mount is simply NOT small, so between that - and the inevitable market segmentation from the R10...challenge accepted.
To this day, my small camera needs are still the original M form factor with good/eye AF, a decent sensor, ibis, and a flippy. Thats it. None of canons small ASPC cameras have all of these, even though they are on their 5th RF body already.
Also this is canon, so its practically guaranteed to use the same r10 sensor. Lastly, RFS has essentially the WORST / LEAST lenses on the market. Just terrible.
Man i got popcorn for this one. LOTS of popcorn.
Its a great opportunity to introduce a truly new form factor (for canon). That mount is simply NOT small, so between that - and the inevitable market segmentation from the R10...challenge accepted.
To this day, my small camera needs are still the original M form factor with good/eye AF, a decent sensor, ibis, and a flippy. Thats it. None of canons small ASPC cameras have all of these, even though they are on their 5th RF body already.
Also this is canon, so its practically guaranteed to use the same r10 sensor. Lastly, RFS has essentially the WORST / LEAST lenses on the market. Just terrible.
Man i got popcorn for this one. LOTS of popcorn.
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