The Canon EOS R8 will be announced at CP+ in February

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How about releasing some more RF-s lenses before pushing another APS-C camera body? Two lenses is a joke, even worse when you’re considering there’s a third crop camera soon.

And not even 2 really different lenses, just 2 standard zooms, one being longer at the longer end. And recently seen a review on the 16mm on the R7 and looks like it's pretty weak.
 
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clearlyed

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The fact that Canon is abandoning customers with EF-format cameras in favor of RF-format and ceasing to offer new EF lenses and bodies makes me regret trusting them and buying an EOS 5D Mark III.

I don't like the RF series LCD viewfinders which are bad for the eyes. I will not change either my equipment which cost me a fortune to adopt the range without RF mirror. I will abandon Canon, as they sadly abandoned me. And for this reason I will certainly never buy the Canon brand, which from my point of view abused the trust I had in them ;-(
unfortunately I'm not sure switching to another brand will save you many as you will have to adopt that new mount with new lenses. nor do I think you will find many other bands offering anything but mirrorless cameras. if you are happy with you cameras and lenses why upgrade anyway. but you want to upgrade I'm afraid you Amy only be left with the option of switching all your gear to a completely different brand (that will also be mirrorless) or stick with non and use their RF to EF adapter which is absolutely exceptional and proof that they thought through how to keep the EF glasss alive for an entirely new generational of gear.
 
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sanj

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When have I stated or implied that there is no market for APS-C cameras, or APS-C mirrorless cameras? I don't see why I would, I am well aware that APS-C cameras far outsell FF cameras and have all along. If you are referring to my incorrect belief that there would not be an APS-C EOS R, the reason for that certainly wasn't a lack of market for it, but rather that Canon was very successful in that segment with the EOS M line. You can be rude if you prefer, it's not atypical for you and certainly doesn't bother me. But please try to get your facts straight, or what you think may be righteous rudeness just comes off as asinine and petulant.

Yes, I was skeptical about mirrorless 10-12 years ago. MILCs have changed a lot since then. In those days, the AF capabilities of DSLRs were demonstrably better than those of MILCs, and EVFs were low resolution and slow to refresh. Those deficits made MILCs far less suitable than DSLRs for shooting fast-moving subjects, which were and are much of what I shoot. Only in the last few years have MILCs progressed sufficiently in those areas to surpass DSLRs. Actually, whether today's best EVFs surpass OVFs is debatable; IMO they do not from an optical perspective, but the additional capabilities (particularly the R3's exposure + DoF simulation mode) outweigh the reduced optical representation.

Times change, I try to change with them. That's why I bought an EOS M nearly a decade ago. Then an M2, then an M6, then an R, then an R3, then an M6II.

Have a happy new year!
Happy New Year Neuro.
 
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UlfricStormcloak

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Ohhhh no,

I’m still hoping for an R successor and do believe there’s room for at least one full frame body underneath the R6mkii.

Also, if the RP gets a FF successor, an R8 APS-C will totally mess up canons naming scheme.

Also, what differences would justify another APS-C model between R7 and R10???? To me, it makes no sense…

All in all, I’m not convinced at all. Let’s wait and see what February brings
Who needs small and capable ff camera days, right? Everyone wants to have their pinky on the right place.
 
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And hopefully they are also releasing several small F1.4 prime lenses priced under $500 so they can compete with their own M mount cameras? Lol of course they won't. So of course I can't buy into RF-S, because I would be guaranteed to take worse pictures than I do with the M6II due to the abysmal lens lineup and lack of 3rd party options.
 
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I’m still pissed they went all in on digital and stopped supporting legacy cameras. When was the last time we got a firmware update for the T90?
They still offered repair of my 1V though as late as this autumn. They couldn't fix the issue so they got me a replacement one instead. That is what I call service and I'm very happy I chose to use Canon cameras and lenses.
 
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CP+ is aimed at video. To me, that suggests the R8 will be a vlogging-type camera. I wonder if the ‘bit of a different form factor and will have a new kind of flippy screen’ are relative to other R cameras, e.g. the R8 will be like the M6 II with a screen that flips up instead of out (or better up or out) and no built-in EVF hump to block the screen when flipped up.

Same 24 MP sensor as the R10 but with IBIS. I think there’s definitely pricing room between the R10 and R7 for another APS-C body.

I fully admit that my own desires are influencing this prediction. A small, light EVF-less body with an RF mount would be a great travel pairing for my R3.

Such camera form factor would be nice to have. It just needs to be FF, not APS-C. If Sony can do it with A7c, Canon should be able to do it as well. But of course, it would most probably mean a different price level.
 
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Not sure why it would make sense to put another camera into the $500 gap between the R10 and R7. Either is has to be quite a different camera or it is the psychological trick of creating a middle step between to products which seems like a good compromise for people who would otherwise have bought the cheaper one. Then it is likely priced closer to the more expensive product though to avoid cannibalizing it. Something like $1,299 or even $1,399.

I still hope that Canon will also bring a higher end APS-C camera and stops treating APS-C as a format for amateurs, which it is not. There are many reasons even for professionals not to go full frame. For example if you crop all the time on full frame anyway or you need a lighter package.
 
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So yet another FSI sensored camera(while competition(Fuji) has been offering BSI sensors in sub $1000 cameras for years at this point), also Canon needs to launch better crop lenses for RF mount(55-250mm, macro, and ultra wide zoom). Current RF 16mm and 50mm 1.8 are good primes for RF-S but both zooms are underwhelming at best.
Maybe Canon waits if they have developped a BSI sensor with global shutter and brings that to market. BSI might be a tad more efficient due to slightly larger effective photodiode area but the main advantage might be the chance to put more electronics inside the sensor close to the cells. Maybe Canon just waits for smaller processes to reduce the heat load - IMO global shutter is a power drawing feature and a cool sensor performs always better.
 
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So no high-megapixel version of the R5 again. Sad.
45MP isn't enough?

I'd be interested to know what genres of photography you tackle that require, or would benefit from, super-high resolution. Sure, there are branches of photography where very high resolution is preferred, such as product and billboard work, digital archiving of art etc, but why would a hi-res R5 be preferred to a 100MP Fujifilm?
 
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BSI has better low light performance, because the electronics don’t block light getting to the actual light detector. Astronomy cameras started switching to BSI quite a few years ago.
For modern sensors of the relatively large sizes under discussion here (APS-C and FF), the increased sensitivity is minimal at best. For example, the FSI Canon R5 and R6II have essentially the same noise floor and sensitivity as the BSI Sony a7-4 and a7RV.

It’s a different story comparing FSI vs BSI for smartphone sensors. But we aren’t.
 
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45MP isn't enough?

I'd be interested to know what genres of photography you tackle that require, or would benefit from, super-high resolution. Sure, there are branches of photography where very high resolution is preferred, such as product and billboard work, digital archiving of art etc, but why would a hi-res R5 be preferred to a 100MP Fujifilm?
Focus stacking macro shots at f/2.8-f/4 would benefit from a higher resolution. Practically speaking I could (and do!) use the M6II for small subjects, but the R5 makes it much easier with the higher fps and more recent software.
 
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Not sure why it would make sense to put another camera into the $500 gap between the R10 and R7. … Then it is likely priced closer to the more expensive product though to avoid cannibalizing it. Something like $1,299 or even $1,399.
Cannibalization is a fallacy. Pricing is driven by projected unit sales and targeted ROI (which is based on development and production costs). If someone buys an R8 instead of an R7, Canon still makes revenue and profit, and quite likely if the margin on an R8 is half that of an R7, it’s because Canon expects to sell twice as many R8 units over the life cycle.

The real goal for Canon here is to get those in the huge installed base of xxxD and xxD owners to buy an R# body, whatever the # (and thus buy RF lenses, as well). Offering more choices at the lower end of the R-series price range is a good way to accomplish that goal.
 
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